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[Lordo]

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.

It could work out oposite. Erdogan may get some favours from both sides being the go-between messenger boy. Assuming they are going to give gratiuties for any favours.

[Pyrpolizer]

Lots of postmortem sophistries here. May I remind you that the Greek Cypriots were under foreign rule for millennia. The natural desire was to get liberated, and we wouldn't get liberated from the British by organizing KEO beer parties with them.

Ideally the struggle for liberation should be done together with the Turkish Cypriots, and shouldn't be a struggle for liberation + Enosis but for liberation only. That proved impossible firstly because the TCs were used by the British in a divide and rule fashion, secondly because of our Enosis dream. Regardless we ended up to the 1960 agreements. That was the point we should be wiser by embracing the TCs and trying to build a common future. It would still be difficult considering the constitutional problems but we would be there within 10-15 years.

Historically there is not even one liberated nation that did not go through mayhem for the next 50 years. Besides, we in Cyprus, were always full of "geniuses".

I disagree! We should have had a much friendlier stance towards the British, not start some kind of stupid war against them.

They, in turn would have granted us some freedom and independence as soon as it didn’t affect their interests and they got there bases on the island. Not just that, we should have given the US a base as soon as they asked for it.

We just thought we had to fight for our independence but at the time all our politicians and people were delusional and thought Greece will come to Cyprus aid.

Cyprus did everything wrong unfortunately.

And not only that, but there would have been nothing at all wrong if the RoC had a similar status as Australia, Canada, and NZ. Maybe then Cyprus would be a protectorate, with some power behind it. But at the time Cypriots had no idea what they could potentially have. I kind of agree with Get Real. The UK was definitely the pick between the 3.

Historically, there was no part of the British Empire that needed to fight for independence. Only India,
almost 100 years ago, and before that it was the USA and Cyprus which was completely stupid and unnecessary.

I also disagree. However by calling Cyprus stupid, makes you look more stupid than what you actually are.

[Pyrpolizer]

Here it is in black & white…

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalIn ... dence.aspx

In Africa no less than 17 countries attained independence overnight!

Not a single one of these countries needed to shed any blood over this… it became their right to be independent…

https://www.africanexponent.com/post/84 ... dependence

Yet Cypriots to this day, talk about “winning” their independence through struggle!

What a load of fucking bullshit!

Cyprus already had their independence lined up in accordance with international law yet that 5ft little stump of a man with the IQ of challenged baboon (Grivas) came to Cyprus illegally on some shitty little boat to commence the “struggle”!

They should’ve beaten the living daylights out of that little peasant-shit the moment he landed on the Paphian shore.

As you say, the reality is that the so called “struggle” was pointless.

You just have to look at Malta. Like Cyprus they were a part of the British Empire and they got their independence without a single shot fired.

All we accomplished is making an enemy of the UK, and others.

Today, there are 11 million Chinese in Hong Kong that would beg to be a part of the UK. Go figure!

That’s an indication that as an Empire, the Brits were not particularly iron fisted or heavy against subject countries generally speaking apart from one or two exceptions like India for instance.

That's because you were never forced to do slavery work to build roads between main cities in Cyprus. Don't be naive. We were terribly exploited both regarding our resources, and our potential. Within just years from independence our standard of living increased by 7 times!! That should tell you something.

[Lordo]

I don't suppose the bloke who walks around upside down with all the blood rushing to what little there is of his brain realises that when the minister in parliament stood up in parliament before 1960 and said

there are some territories that may never get their independence

he was actually refering to Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

Interesting you should say that because my memory is failing so I could not possibly tell you what was on the ID card back in 1971/2, except that I have it infront of me and it certainly has Race window with Turk in it. Except that not sure who, somebody put a blue line through it using a blue (Greek colour lol) pen.

Perhaps they were using old printed cards and crossing the word race in them but my race is never the less showing as Turk and not Cypriot. This is back in 1971/2 I think. And yes it does say Nationality Republic of Cyprus.

I have a feeling you boys had Cypriot in the box and we ended up with Turk.

Well since we both have it in front of us, we could both scan it/photograph it, delete the names etc, and just leave the boxes in question. Then send it via PM to each other. Then we both inform the forum of what we saw. Deal?

[miltiades]

Well guys my Cy ID has me as British/Cypriot. I wonder if the reason is that I had an ID in 1958 whilst under British rule.whicj gave my nationality as British subject.

[Kikapu]

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.

It could work out oposite. Erdogan may get some favours from both sides being the go-between messenger boy. Assuming they are going to give gratiuties for any favours.

I don’t think West-Ukraine-Russia needs Turkey as a “middleman” since everyone is talking to each other face to face as well as behind their backs. Erdogan likes to feel he is important and that he can prevent what may happen.Turkey is not a peacemaker and never has been. She is an opportunist without shame. I mean, how can Turkey make any arguments to any country not to invade another when she is doing it herself.

[Lordo]

Interesting you should say that because my memory is failing so I could not possibly tell you what was on the ID card back in 1971/2, except that I have it infront of me and it certainly has Race window with Turk in it. Except that not sure who, somebody put a blue line through it using a blue (Greek colour lol) pen.

Perhaps they were using old printed cards and crossing the word race in them but my race is never the less showing as Turk and not Cypriot. This is back in 1971/2 I think. And yes it does say Nationality Republic of Cyprus.

I have a feeling you boys had Cypriot in the box and we ended up with Turk.

Well since we both have it in front of us, we could both scan it/photograph it, delete the names etc, and just leave the boxes in question. Then send it via PM to each other. Then we both inform the forum of what we saw. Deal?

Deal but upload attachment is not available on PMs.

[Pyrpolizer]

So in your opinion by 1955 we should transform to fortune tellers predicting that in December 1960 the UN would vote for abolishing colonial rule.

A UN resolution of such magnitude doesn’t get put before the GA overnight!

It may be years in the making (multiple drafts) before the final version is to be voted on, so there’s no way you couldn’t have heard about it even 5 years prior, for colonial reform was the talk of the day since the early 50s.

The world was changing and the only ones fast asleep were Greece and Cyprus, it seems!

Nonsense!! The first draft was submitted by Nikita Khrushchev of USSR In Sept 1960, and the final (and approved draft) by Cambodia on behalf of 26 Asian and African countries in Nov 1960.
Notice it was not a Security Council resolution but a General assembly vote having no legal implications, otherwise it would be vetoed. Nobody could vote against it as the UN was about human rights and this resolution was for the collective human right of "a people" to self determination.
Not surprising all colonial powers abstained while Britain convinced it's puppet Australia to abstain as well.

And it wasn't just the talk of the day. There were uprisings in most colonies, and not all were as peaceful as you may think (e.g in Malaya, Kenya, Rhodesia etc) even in colonies who got " figurative independence" much earlier as e.g Egypt-Look at the Suez crisis. Most of those who got independence actually joined the non aligned movement, including Egypt.
I guess Nasser was also stupid by Paphitis standards.

[Pyrpolizer]

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.

It could work out oposite. Erdogan may get some favours from both sides being the go-between messenger boy. Assuming they are going to give gratiuties for any favours.

I don’t think West-Ukraine-Russia needs Turkey as a “middleman” since everyone is talking to each other face to face as well as behind their backs. Erdogan likes to feel he is important and that he can prevent what may happen.Turkey is not a peacemaker and never has been. She is an opportunist without shame. I mean, how can Turkey make any arguments to any country not to invade another when she is doing it herself.

It would be a blessing for us in Cyprus if Ukraine ever joins Nato. 1900 Km of land frontiers with Russia plus another 680 Km with Belarus compared to zero of Turkey is a lot!!
But I am afraid this will never happen...