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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Concurrently, what was hyped as an overwhelming, short, blitzkrieg war (“over by Christmas”) shows indications of becoming bogged down in important areas. With the prospect of a long insurgency in the future. The Ukrainian’s are proving to be a harder nut to crack than anticipated.

Not good news for Putin. Let’s hope he doesn’t do anything to make matters even worse. :shock:

No, I don’t agree with this at all!

Some people here hinted that you had a military career but judging by your input, I very much doubt that such a career was of a strategic or fighting nature. Here is the reality:

In the space of 4 days…

* Russia has captured about 1/5th of the Ukraine’s territory
* They have destroyed close to 100% of the enemy’s anti-aircraft systems.
* They have destroyed their entire navy.
* They captured dozens of towns and all sea ports.
* They have the Ukrainian government pinned down in the capital which is surrounded.
* Russia has published the numbers of Ukrainian equipment destroyed on a handful of websites, and they are quite embarrassing for the Ukraine, but Putin doesn’t care enough to brag… he just wants rapid victory.

There is no question about Russia’s speed and ferocity in this confrontation but they’ve had considerable losses (ie: 5,000? troops), as is expected when you’re on the attack and especially at such never-before-seen speed.

NB: More importantly, all this success was achieved by a Russia at fighting level #1... they haven't cranked it up yet.


Considering the fact Russia gave heads up to Ukraine that it had 100,000+ troops on it’s border with hardware to go with it, which gave the Ukrainian military lots of time to take up defensive positions and to Russia’s credit for not “carpet bombing” Ukraine for few weeks to soften the Ukraine’s military before invading, you can say that Russia has done well thus far. If Russia did lose 5,000 soldiers in 4 days, that is a huge loss, and if that is the case, Russia is not about to walk away from Ukraine now empty handed.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:52 pm

Hey Kicks. Have you thought about giving this a try? :D

https://www.thelocal.ch/20220215/we-are ... -new-jail/

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:55 pm

Londonrake wrote:Concurrently, what was hyped as an overwhelming, short, blitzkrieg war (“over by Christmas”)


who hyped it?

I am only hearing from western media that this was supposed to be a record speed (days) occupation of Ukraine. That is just not realistic.

it looks like Kiks might be right, the Russian army could cut Ukraine off from supplies from the black sea.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm

They wanted to go to Russia's doorstep, now they have Russia coming to theirs.....
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:06 pm

The talks between Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Belarus has concluded,

both are returning to the capital for consultations.

The Ukrainians wants a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal. The Russians are not announcing their position but want to strike a deal in the interest of both parties..

Talks are expected to resume in the coming days.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:13 pm

Outside of Ukraine itself I don't believe anyone was/is naïve enough to believe Russia wouldn't take the country. It's forces massively outnumber the Ukrainians.

It's turning out to be a bit more difficult than anticipated though. That I suspect could forebode there being a protracted post-invasion insurgency rather than what I think is the fantasy of an occupied Ukraine becoming a supplicant and cooperative population living under a Russian approved government.

The (ignored) economic news belies the idea that the country would shrug off the effects of sanctions. Moreover, these are very early days.

Putin's never likely to be unseated from without. If if should happen it will come from internally. The thing all dictators tend to fear most is their own people. Time will tell but I don't think the man will ever be able to contemplate a quiet and comfortable retirement, tending his allotment. He's all-in.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:16 pm

Russia is not looking to occupy all of Ukraine.

Macron spoke with Putin and "a settlement is possible only if Russia's legitimate security interests are taken into account - including a recognition of Russia's sovereignty over Crimea, and a resolution of the objectives of demilitarisation and denazification of the Ukrainian state and ensuring it has a neutral status".

reports the BBC.

I read that as, you cant join NATO, you cant join the EU and you cant have a military and Crimea belongs to Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:17 pm

Londonrake wrote:Hey Kicks. Have you thought about giving this a try? :D

https://www.thelocal.ch/20220215/we-are ... -new-jail/

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just my luck the lock gets jammed and I’m stuck in there for a week with a big guy who goes by the name “Bubba”! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:18 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Hey Kicks. Have you thought about giving this a try? :D

https://www.thelocal.ch/20220215/we-are ... -new-jail/

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just my luck the lock gets jammed and I’m stuck in there for a week with a big guy who goes by the name “Bubba”! :wink:


Don't go dropping the soap! :shock: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Hey Kicks. Have you thought about giving this a try? :D

https://www.thelocal.ch/20220215/we-are ... -new-jail/

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just my luck the lock gets jammed and I’m stuck in there for a week with a big guy who goes by the name “Bubba”! :wink:


Don't go dropping the soap! :shock: :lol:

Or worse still bend over to pick it up. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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