Get Real! wrote:Londonrake wrote:Get Real! wrote:Londonrake wrote:I remind that it was the West that started it all...
Groundhog Day.
No. They didn’t. Vladimir Putin in fact started it all. On Feb 24th. Best perhaps not to dwell upon his lying about his intentions on several occasions.
I understand why.
With a guy who struggles to read his Teleprompter recently ensconced in the White House. A man who - with one of his signature gems of a speech - said a small Russian incursion in Ukraine would be OK. Then, after the event, talked at length about the things he wouldn’t do about it. Added to an EU which was clearly as united as a cage full of angry monkeys, there would surely never come a better moment?
And here we all are.
NATO’s eastern expansion is the root cause of this, and other soviet block conflicts.
No it’s not. That’s a fabrication. Putin has even “come out” regarding his vision recently. If you bothered to watch the interview.
You’ve seen what’s happened wrt Sweden and Finland’s application. You’ve also seen, and in fact often crowed about, Germany’s life-line industrial dependency on Russian gas. Also, France had - in fact they are trying desperately to hang on to - extensive business interests in Russia. Hungary under Orban remains joined at the hip to Putin.
Try a little objectivity - go on, just the once. Stand back and ask yourself what was going to happen to Ukraine’s application for membership. Not as blunt as Turkey and it’s veto but it was surely destined to spend enough time gathering dust in the in-tray to see both of us pushing up daisies.
You’ve been sold a pup on that.