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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm

Judging by the Security Chief's performance the other day, I suspect they are scared shitless and would be too worried about their own lives to dare even think such thoughts as overthrowing him. In any case just overthrowing him is not enough he has a whole group around him which depend on his power.

the west simply have to realise their mistake and back down. Instead they are now talking about adding Sweden and Finland into Nato. Did these two countries make such requests? They must be aware that the fact that they have not been bothered by Russia since the war is their policy of not taking the Nato side.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby DT. » Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:16 pm

Lordo wrote:Judging by the Security Chief's performance the other day, I suspect they are scared shitless and would be too worried about their own lives to dare even think such thoughts as overthrowing him. In any case just overthrowing him is not enough he has a whole group around him which depend on his power.

the west simply have to realise their mistake and back down. Instead they are now talking about adding Sweden and Finland into Nato. Did these two countries make such requests? They must be aware that the fact that they have not been bothered by Russia since the war is their policy of not taking the Nato side.


Adding Scandi's to NATO is a stupid move as is Ukraine...Putin reacting in this reckless badly thought out plan is also stupid. Even his announcement regarding Neo Nazis etc sounded stupid...I'm just bothered with the whole improv feeling this entire process has. Don't have much comfort that someone is thinking strategically to amend some imbalances of power in the region. Seems more like last ditch attempts and hail Mary's.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:31 pm

Zelensky thinks Ukraine should immediately join the EU because they have shown the world who they are and they are fighting for their country and Europe.

Should this happen without Ukraine going through the accession process, like every other member had to, this will be another mistake. Unfortunately, it sounds like a false sense of entitlement.

He should first negotiate a successful ceasefire and focus on bringing stability back to Ukraine. No one wants a war in Europe and EU officials should be telling him this. The cost to Europeans as well as Russians, let alone his people suffering in Ukraine is also going up.

Its a good thing that he has gone to talk with the Russians. lets hope cooler heads prevail.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:39 pm

Maximus wrote:Its a good thing that he has gone to talk with the Russians. lets hope cooler heads prevail.


Yes, fingers crossed things get toned down. Although, it's hard to see an easy way back from the present situation. One that would be face-saving to both sides.

I'm sure it won't have escaped anyone's notice, the gravity of some of the decisions we're hearing are being made at the moment. Nor, that what could quite literally be the fate of civilisation currently rests on the shoulders of just one human being.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:56 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Maximus wrote:Its a good thing that he has gone to talk with the Russians. lets hope cooler heads prevail.


Yes, fingers crossed things get toned down. Although, it's hard to see an easy way back from the present situation. One that would be face-saving to both sides.

I'm sure it won't have escaped anyone's notice, the gravity of some of the decisions we're hearing are being made at the moment. Nor, that what could quite literally be the fate of civilisation currently rests on the shoulders of just one human being.


In my not worth so much opinion, if NATO doesnt attack Russia, things wont escalate to that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:11 pm

With all the fighting attention given to Kiev, which may be an intended attention diversion as well as a lot of Ukraine’s military power sent there, Russia is slowly connecting Crimea to rebel held areas on eastern Ukraine and around the “Sea of Azov”, which is a major prize for Putin, regardless what happens to other parts of Ukraine. Russia might even take the Odessa region and leave Ukraine completely “landlocked”.


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:12 pm

Only a fucking psychopath would wish to destroy him self and his perceived enemies.Somehow......GR comes to mind :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:53 pm

The Rouble has dropped again to a record low -30% today. Russia’s central bank has been forced to double interest rates from 9.5 to 20%. Moscow’s main stock exchange didn't open. That, after dropping by a third on Thursday. People have been queuing at ATMs over the weekend drawing money out in a panic that has started a run on the banks. Inflation is about to spike massively. More than 2/3rds of Russia’s $640bln currency reserves are held in G7 banks and the country’s set to lose control. Leaving it with just gold and the Chinese Yuan.

Concurrently, what was hyped as an overwhelming, short, blitzkrieg war (“over by Christmas”) shows indications of becoming bogged down in important areas. With the prospect of a long insurgency in the future. The Ukrainian’s are proving to be a harder nut to crack than anticipated.

Not good news for Putin. Let’s hope he doesn’t do anything to make matters even worse. :shock:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:19 pm

Londonrake wrote:Concurrently, what was hyped as an overwhelming, short, blitzkrieg war (“over by Christmas”) shows indications of becoming bogged down in important areas. With the prospect of a long insurgency in the future. The Ukrainian’s are proving to be a harder nut to crack than anticipated.

Not good news for Putin. Let’s hope he doesn’t do anything to make matters even worse. :shock:

No, I don’t agree with this at all!

Some people here hinted that you had a military career but judging by your input, I very much doubt that such a career was of a strategic or fighting nature. Here is the reality:

In the space of 4 days…

* Russia has captured about 1/5th of the Ukraine’s territory
* They have destroyed close to 100% of the enemy’s anti-aircraft systems.
* They have destroyed their entire navy.
* They captured dozens of towns and all sea ports.
* They have the Ukrainian government pinned down in the capital which is surrounded.
* Russia has published the numbers of Ukrainian equipment destroyed on a handful of websites, and they are quite embarrassing for the Ukraine, but Putin doesn’t care enough to brag… he just wants rapid victory.

There is no question about Russia’s speed and ferocity in this confrontation but they’ve had considerable losses (ie: 5,000? troops), as is expected when you’re on the attack and especially at such never-before-seen speed.

NB: More importantly, all this success was achieved by a Russia at fighting level #1... they haven't cranked it up yet.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:25 pm

It is reverse in terms of how much of Ukraine is under the control of the Russians. As the Ukranians are concentrating in protecting the cities, it is more likely they are the ones who have 25% of the land. Once the Kiev is surrounded the war would come to a quick end.

1. Ukraine will have to disarm for now.
2. Give up the effort to join Nato

I suspect Russia will not mind that much if Ukraine joins the EU, in fact Russia needs to join the EU at some point in the future but I bet Americans will not like that one bit.
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