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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:35 am

Hello CIPS!

The latest shortsighted barrage of anti-Russian sanctions/embargoes imposed by the West may well turn out to be an enormous blessing in disguise for the world, for it has the potential of killing two major headaches with one stone… namely the $USD and the SWIFT payment system, American hegemonies!

Enter the Chinese all-in-one solution…

The Cross-Border Interbank Payment System (CIPS) is a payment system which offers clearing and settlement services for its participants in cross-border RMB payments and trade. It is a significant financial market infrastructure in China. CIPS is sometimes referred to as the China Interbank Payment System.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Bor ... ent_System


…which Russia will now have no option but to embrace thereby establishing and cementing the powerful Sino-Russian alliance!

The sky is the limit to what these two powerful and industrious nations can archive especially when working as closely as they’ll have to, out of need for survival and prosperity.

Other US-victimized nations such as Iran, N.Korea, Venezuela, Syria, and many others, can also gradually adopt the eastern CIPS thereby liberating themselves from malicious US momentary abuse for a more secure and prosperous future.

As for the $USD, it will gradually have to settle for only half the global market and shrink over time as other nations earn the trust and co-adopt use of the CIPS.

Needless to mention that this would also have an equally depleting sphere of influence for the US, marking the end of the most abusive century in the history of trade, commerce, and politics.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:03 am

What in your opinion should the West have done ?
Russia, albeit concerned about Ukraine NATO membership, invaded a sovereign nation, the entire world , apart from Lukashenko of Belarus, has criticised Russia's invasion. Yet you, with your unstable mind, support this action. Thete again sometime back you wrote" I would rathet see Turkey occupying all of Cyprus than the continued suffering of the Palestinians" You are a psychopath, get some help.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:29 am

miltiades wrote:What in your opinion should the West have done ?
Russia, albeit concerned about Ukraine NATO membership, invaded a sovereign nation, the entire world , apart from Lukashenko of Belarus, has criticised Russia's invasion. Yet you, with your unstable mind, support this action. Thete again sometime back you wrote" I would rathet see Turkey occupying all of Cyprus than the continued suffering of the Palestinians" You are a psychopath, get some help.

Well it depends on how far back you wanna go!

If I were in charge of America I would’ve never antagonized Russia with NATO memberships of former soviet states, or alternatively I could’ve offered NATO membership to Russia aswell… in which case who needs NATO then?

But if you’re gonna be using NATO as a tool for stirring trouble then I’m afraid you are not a well-meaning nation but a very greedy one with a serious controlling problem… in which case you need a shrink not NATO!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:46 am

I have allready expressed that I understand Russia's concern over Ukraine's ambition to join NATO..However Russia in invading a sovereign nation and thus far causing the death of thousands, Was not justified by any means. The threat of a nuclear war is very real which confirms Albert Einsteins quote that human stupidity is INFINITE. The most precious of humans are little children who are absolutely innocent . It's reported that some 4000 Russian soldiers have lost their lives, that in it self is a human tragedy.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:50 am

US/NATO Is in the Grip of a Demonic Death-Wish and the Entire World Is Threatened
https://original.antiwar.com/Edward_Cur ... hreatened/

Media Criticism of Putin’s Invasion Rings Hollow
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articl ... gs-hollow/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby DT. » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:05 am

Get Real! wrote:US/NATO Is in the Grip of a Demonic Death-Wish and the Entire World Is Threatened
https://original.antiwar.com/Edward_Cur ... hreatened/

Media Criticism of Putin’s Invasion Rings Hollow
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articl ... gs-hollow/



Hope you’re all learning from GR…we need credible sources for these articles people and Randolph Bournes radicals with his anti-war publication and the libertarian quotes above are gold!!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:39 am

Just to point out that
1. These supposed sanctions they are implementing will take 30 days to set in by which time they would have all moved their finances.
2. Blocking Swift does not stop Russia trading just takes them back to the system used before swift.
3. The most important bit of news which was well hidden from the public is the fact that back in 1962 when the Russian Navy turned back from Cuba did so on a deal. American removed the Nuclear missiles from Turkey.

Of course the expectation set by the west was that this will be over in a few days and when it is not, it can be shown to fail. It ain't easy to take a country especially when the people are refusing it.

Interesting way of making Molotov cocktail, little they realise that the more they resist the more devastating the attack will be.

There was a report one of the Chechen Generals surfaced in Ukraine and giving hell to the Russian army. You would think he would know what it will lead to.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:52 am

Let us all hope for the sake of Humanity that there will not be an escalation to this. In the meantime here is another prediction. The Cyprus housing market will crush. All those million plus appartments will remain unsold. As for the rents of 10,000 plus a month will be vacant. The Russians ain't coming any time soon. Limassol is saturated with new appartments aiming for the Russian market.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:35 am

miltiades wrote:What in your opinion should the West have done ?
Russia, albeit concerned about Ukraine NATO membership, invaded a sovereign nation, the entire world , apart from Lukashenko of Belarus, has criticised Russia's invasion. Yet you, with your unstable mind, support this action. Thete again sometime back you wrote" I would rathet see Turkey occupying all of Cyprus than the continued suffering of the Palestinians" You are a psychopath, get some help.


They did do things Milti which they should not have done. UK sonsored Ukraine joining Nato from 2002 onwards. Putin told them to stop it back in 2007.

This whole saga falls on the shoulders of Nato. Just like the Yanks will not allow missiles in Cuba or Mexico, they have no business encouraging countries close to Russia to join Nato which means stationing missiles on their soil. I know you have the belief that each country is sovereign and they can do what they like on their soil but that has not been the case ever. It is only on paper not a reality.

Cuba is still under Embargoes from the Yanks to this day.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby DT. » Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:54 pm

If I were a group of Russian generals who worried Putin had lost his mind and would lead the country to ruin, I might slow roll an invasion, undersupply the lines, and send in young, inexperienced conscripts instead of battle hardened vets. Nothing like failure to lead to ouster.
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