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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:25 pm

And this about antisemitism. Interesting that so many of the oligarchs are Jewish apparently.

6. There is less anti-Semitism. Or maybe it has simply been exported to western Ukraine and Europe. In reality, of course, Russia's xenophobia and bile has been refocused on Central Asian guest workers and natives of the Caucasus. From time to time, you can see Orthodox Jews in black coats and hats, long beards and payis walking down city streets unself-consciously, lost in their own conversation and oblivious to the fact that they are in the country that gave the world the words "pogrom" and "Pale of Settlement."

I was amazed and gladdened when there was no detectable outbreak of anti-Semitism over the fact that so many of the oligarchs were Jewish. Of course, there is still some anti-Semitism in Russia, but perhaps only just enough to prove the old bitter maxim that anti-Semitism is hating Jews more than you should.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:35 pm

Of course not forgetting that as much as damage it caused in Syria, he did stop the Yanks and the Israelis from changing the regime there and installing a Ynak puppet to rule Syria.

Here is another very interesting article about Putin.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of-the-best-things-which-Putin-has-done

Many Westerners have a negative view of Russia's President, Vladimir Putin, because of the unjust portrayal he receives in the bias false Western media. If one were to believe everything they saw in the American media, they would probably think Putin to be a ruthless dictator who was anointed by birth rather than a politician born into a working class family with approval ratings higher than all of his Western counterparts at one stage reaching a sky high 90% "Such a high level of approval for the work of the Russian strongman president is linked, in the first instance, to events in Syria, to Russian air strikes on terrorist positions there,"

Under Putin's reign the Russian economy grew every single year, with an overall GDP increase of more than 70%. During the same period, investments rose 125%, industry grew by 76%, and poverty decreased 50%. The average monthly salaries in Russia increased from $80 to $640, and the middle class grew from 8 million people to 55 million.

Analysts have credited these impressive economic achievements to strong macro-management, capital inflows, fiscal policy reform, and rising energy prices (Russia is a large exporter of oil and gas). Putin wisely reintroduced nuclear power and positioned Russia as an energy super power that Europe has come to rely on. He also invested heavily in Russian infrastructure, including pipelines. Among Putin's accomplishments was the introduction of a 13% flat tax and the reduction of the corporate tax rate from 35% to 24%. As a result, Putin has maintained extraordinarily high approval ratings from the Russian people, winning his second Presidency with 71% of the vote.

Putin's accomplishments are even more impressive when one realizes that he has had to deal with one of the fiercest mafias in the world. The Russian mafia led by notorious billionaire gangsters, who use dual citizenships in non-extradition countries such as Israel to thwart justice, are responsible for sex slavery, weapons trafficking, drug running, and the rampant corruption that has plagued Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union. Putin has consistently risked his life to challenge these gangsters and eventually saw charges brought against many of the criminal oligarchs. Regardless of these challenges, Putin's administration has consistently maintained a lower incarceration rate than the United States.

The US media routinely questions the integrity of the Russian election process which is hypocracy beyond explanation, and even mocked Russia for calling the last presidential election with only 25% of vote in; all while CNN and Fox have been calling Republican Primary elections with only 1% of the vote being counted. There is little to no proof that Putin has ever committed election fraud, but there is significant evidence that the American Republican Party has committed several documented cases of voter fraud against Ron Paul.

While Obama was winning a Nobel Peace Prize and perpetrating undeclared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Putin was using every piece of his influence to oppose unjust and internationally illegal wars. In 2003, Western powers used their political influence to invade Iraq, with no credible intelligence of weapons of mass destruction.

The war eventually lead to higher oil prices and the murder of one million innocent civilians. Cooler heads in the United Nations like Vladimir's Russia staunchly opposed the war and doubted the dubious intelligence from his rival leaders. Putin tried to prevent the disastrous Iraq war by vetoing resolutions in the UN, but the powerful Israeli-American lobby, AIPAC, convinced American politicians to invade without UN backing. No one can dought that invading Iraq was a total disaster and Putin was 100% correct Donald Trump has also said it was a terrible decision.

Just as in Iraq, Putin staunchly opposed the intervention in Libya, which has also turned out to be a humanitarian disaster. Libya went from an internationally law-abiding country to a fractionalized nation that is being controlled by radical elements. The country's infrastructure was seriously damaged, and far greater human rights abuses are being perpetrated now than ever took place under Gaddafi.

Now the American-Israeli lobby and mainstream media, are pushing for more undeclared wars in Syria and Iran. Both of which would increase the price of oil tremendously and likely lead to the downfall of the already frail world economy. Even though such an event would increase the price of Russia's main export, oil, Putin seems to care more about the humanitarian implications of such an intervention than the financial benefits for his nation.

As such, Putin used Russia's seat on the UN security council to veto US backed resolutions on Syria. The blood-thirsty American media immediately condemned Putin as being obstructionist and starting a second cold war, but Putin remained above the petty warmongering and simply instructed the Americans to stop attempting to indulge in their "bellicose itch" to start more wars.

Putin's business acumen, just foreign policy decisions, and humanitarian leadership should be congratulated throughout the world. If only American Presidents could respect freedom and other nations' sovereignty like Vladimir Putin, the planet would be a lot more peaceful.

Many journalists and news stations have taken a harsh anti-Assad & Putin stance since the beginning of unrest in Syria, and they regularly bend or manipulate facts to slander and defame the Syrian and Russian government.

Bashar al Assad & Vladimir Putin do not suit the globalists agenda of running a gas pipe under a puppet government chosen by them. Bashar Al Assad is on a mission with the help of the worlds greatest president Vladimir Putin. Assad is a great leader and wants to save christianity his people and be known as the man that saved Syria. Russia currently supplies Europe with a quarter of the gas it uses for heating, cooking, fuel and other activities so there also protecting there interests and so they should.

In fact 80 per cent of the gas that Russian state-controlled company Gazprom produces is sold to Europe, so maintaining this crucial market is very important. Much of Russia’s power comes from established pipelines used to transport gas to Europe cheaply. But other countries are now trying to get around Russia and provide new sources of gas to Europe.

Last year US President Barack Obama a Globalist puppet and a man who with the help of his sec of state Hillary Clinton helped arm rebel groups against Assad, Obama spoke openly about the need for Europe to reduce its reliance on Russian gas which is not his business. Many countries supporting the war against Assad have links to these pipeline plans.

Failed pipeline bidder Qatar is believed to have funded anti-Assad rebel groups by $3 billion between 2011 and 2013. Saudi Arabia has also been accused of funding the terrorist group.

Wealthy officials from Qatar and Saudi Arabia who donated money to Hillary Clinton’s charitable foundation & also provided financial support to Isis. “the notorious jihadist group, called Isil or Isis, is created largely with money from people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation” Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc are all united behind Hillary Clinton.

And the media as well. Media owners, and the journalists themselves.” and we all seen how much Barack Obama was behind her. You do not need to be Einstein to understand how important it was for Trump winning the election and how corrupt and evil Obama & Clinton really are. Why do you think when all else fails with its blame the russians. Its so obvious when you look at the big picture and examine the truth its easy to see that Putin is the worlds greatest leader by a long way.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:59 pm

You can see even with Obama term the Yanks were asking the EU to stop buying Russian resources. So this is nothing new and whilst it looks like they are succeeding, the pain for it is so great that they will reverse policy as soon as the Ukrainian ceasefire is announced. The question is when?

Interesting that Ukraine is asking for the Nord Stream 1 to be closed. When the Europeans have already agreed that those who do not have the facilities to have alternative supplies, can continue to receive energy from Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:56 pm

Say bye-bye to three pseudo Rambos... :lol:

Captured British fighters in Ukraine sentenced to death

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/captured ... nced-death

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:20 pm

Now going back to Putin, is there another country in the world that allows Internet access for free?

Does anybody know how much Russians are charged for petrol and gas and electricity.

I know that in the 80s, hot water in Moscow was free. I wonder if it is still so.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:10 pm

Remember when I mentioned that Russia could turn the fighting level up by a notch or two on the dial?

Well it happened yesterday, when four Russian Su-57 stealth multirole fighter jets entered the theater of war for the first time and took out recently donated air defenses.

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/gi ... x_tr_hl=en

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:39 pm

Lordo wrote:Now going back to Putin, is there another country in the world that allows Internet access for free?

Does anybody know how much Russians are charged for petrol and gas and electricity.

I know that in the 80s, hot water in Moscow was free. I wonder if it is still so.


It isn't free and frankly, despite all the partisan indignation in here about Russian state media being banned (although we still get to see it - ehh?), what's the point, when so much is blocked there (about 2000 sites at the last count but nobody's being hypocritical in that respect of course. Heaven forbid.

What do you think Russians are being told daily on their TVs about the war? Sorry "special military operation" in Ukraine. Let me help. GR could get a job with them.

Petrol - EUR 0.743 a litre (check it out for yourself though). Nowadays they're looking at giving people the option of buying a good ole Moskvich to put it in. Well, that's assuming they can source the materials to make them. Entrepreneurs are rushing in to make Russian Mercs/BMWs, etc it seems. A golden opportunity for them. :roll:

Gas and electricity prices I could find quoted were before that great humanitarian ( :lol: ) Vladimir Putin (blessings be upon his name) decided to murder tens of thousands of his neighbours and obliterate their cities, making 14 million of them homeless in the process from Feb 24th. So, not really valid nowadays but - what's your point? Apart from being an avowed socialist supporting a gangster dictator of 22 years. No contradiction there of course. Although, it does seem to me you will support just about any cunt on the single criteria that they're anti-west. Which of course - you're not.

I'll take your word for it that Russians had free hot water 40 years ago, back in the good ole Gorbachev Soviet Union days but even if it turns out to be true don't really see what it has to do with this thread. :?

When you come out with this stuff - as you often do - it would perhaps help if you could back it up with something?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:46 pm

...good post London.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:49 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:Now going back to Putin, is there another country in the world that allows Internet access for free?

Does anybody know how much Russians are charged for petrol and gas and electricity.

I know that in the 80s, hot water in Moscow was free. I wonder if it is still so.


It isn't free and frankly, despite all the partisan indignation in here about Russian state media being banned (although we still get to see it - ehh?), what's the point, when so much is blocked there (about 2000 sites at the last count but nobody's being hypocritical in that respect of course. Heaven forbid.

What do you think Russians are being told daily on their TVs about the war? Sorry "special military operation" in Ukraine. Let me help. GR could get a job with them.

Petrol - EUR 0.743 a litre (check it out for yourself though). Nowadays they're looking at giving people the option of buying a good ole Moskvich to put it in. Well, that's assuming they can source the materials to make them. Entrepreneurs are rushing in to make Russian Mercs/BMWs, etc it seems. A golden opportunity for them. :roll:

Gas and electricity prices I could find quoted were before that great humanitarian ( :lol: ) Vladimir Putin (blessings be upon his name) decided to murder tens of thousands of his neighbours and obliterate their cities, making 14 million of them homeless in the process from Feb 24th. So, not really valid nowadays but - what's your point? Apart from being an avowed socialist supporting a gangster dictator of 22 years. No contradiction there of course. Although, it does seem to me you will support just about any cunt on the single criteria that they're anti-west. Which of course - you're not.

I'll take your word for it that Russians had free hot water 40 years ago, back in the good ole Gorbachev Soviet Union days but even if it turns out to be true don't really see what it has to do with this thread. :?

When you come out with this stuff - as you often do - it would perhaps help if you could back it up with something?

I met somebody who lived there about that time.
How many times do we have to round this roundabout. it is not that simple, Russia did not decide one day to attack Ukraine. At least make an effort to understand what is going on.

Next thing you are going to say the Germans started the first world war and they had no reason to.

Flippin heck man.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 pm

Lordo wrote:I met somebody who lived there about that time.
How many times do we have to round this roundabout. it is not that simple, Russia did not decide one day to attack Ukraine. At least make an effort to understand what is going on.

Next thing you are going to say the Germans started the first world war and they had no reason to.

Flippin heck man.


It really doesn't matter when Russia decided to attack Ukraine. Although, I appreciate your admitting that they actually did. Sometimes I get the impression in here that it was the other way around.

The fact is they did and the cost in human suffering speaks for itself. It isn't some sort of interesting academic topic for abstract discourse it's actual death and destruction on a scale we haven't seen in Europe for over 70 years.

WTF has Germany and WW1 got to do with it? :?

The "flippin heck man" to me is how somebody like yourself, a supposed avowed socialist, apparently with a humanitarian conscience, can support the invasion of a country and the subsequent death and destruction, caused by the ambitions of a single individual who's quite clearly been a pretty ruthless dictator for 2 decades? You shift whatever principles you claim to possess like some sort of chameleon.

Fundamentally it comes down to your basically just wanting to argue about things. Is that what gets you off L? :?
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