Londonrake wrote:Paphitis wrote:Now at what point will the apologists admit total defeat?
I think you're being harsh. It isn't a case of "total defeat". The Motherland is and never has been in any danger of invasion. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong but will stick to my view that Russian fire and manpower should ultimately prevail in Ukraine. Putin has obviously gone "all in" regardless of cost.
It's really more a case to me of those who - after 79 days - are still promoting the view that all is well for the Russian army. It's going to some carefully crafted - cunning - plan. When clearly, that's total bollocks.
The idea the Russian army could put up some sort of front against any other NATO country (including candidates) has been exposed for what it is. A fantasy.
The great man's earlier megaphone support of how Russian is capable of fighting on multiple fronts is exposed. They're clearly getting a mauling in Ukraine, never mind about concurrently taking on the likes of Finland/Sweden/Japan - etc. Use of a nuclear weapon would immediately signal the end of Vladimir Putin's megalomaniac dreams. Including him.
I never meant for one second that total defeat means the total defeat of all of Russia.
The objective for Russia in the beginning was the capture of all Ukraine, by taking over the capital. That objective quickly changed after heavy resistence. Now the objective is to capture Donbass and Luhansk. That too showing earli=y signs of failure.
I do not believe Russia will prevail in Ukraine. I think the Ukrainians are now much better equiped with Billions worth of arms streaming in. But more importantly, the average Ukrainian Soldier has high morale, and actually knows what they are fighting for.
If you look at the 1000 odd Ukrainians, still holding firm in the steel works in Mariupol, and apply such tenacity and vigor across the entire Ukrainian Military, which I believe to be the case, then there is no way Ukraine will lose this war.
What you see in Ukraine, has been seen before, by the Americans and also our very own Australian Military in Vietnam. Russia is in for a hell of a time in Ukraine, and will soon, be in full retreat within a matter of a few weeks.
There are 1000 Ukrainians fighting to the end in Mariupol. How can anyone fight against such soldiers?