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[Lordo]

Lets face it Western media stinks.

[Londonrake]

Indeed you do have a habit of posting things out of context.

So presumably you think that the sanctions on Russia by the west and everybody else that the west had a hold on at the time had nothing to do with what happened in Russia at that time.

You will perhaps understand - and maybe forgive - when I say - given how very often you manage to introduce the criminal US/UK/West/Iraq/Afghanistan/Uncle Tom Cobley and all, into this Russian invasion of Ukraine thread - that I find the accusation of my posting out of context pretty risible.

It was simply your posting a vague (Gulags?) opinion on Stalin's atrocity and my responding with a factual historical link on those years in Ukraine. What followed was superfluous.

[Londonrake]

As soon as I find live testimonies as to how many tanks, canons, rocket launchers etc those cowards placed in the back yard of the school I will post them here.
Would you then admit you are a victim of distorted news??

If it weren't such a tragically serious incident I'd probably find your answer hilarious. Albeit entirely predictable.

You must be missing your guide and mentor. Who seems to have gone AWOL . Do you really think they died together in some sort of final reckoning? All over words on a small forum populated by us very few irrelevants? Some people really do need to get out more.

[Londonrake]

Lets face it Western media stinks.

Unlike?

At least you have the freedom to search out your own "truth". Albeit - and this I think applies to most people - it being of a bias confirmation nature. What do people in places like Russia, North Korea or China do?

[Lordo]

Indeed you do have a habit of posting things out of context.

So presumably you think that the sanctions on Russia by the west and everybody else that the west had a hold on at the time had nothing to do with what happened in Russia at that time.

You will perhaps understand - and maybe forgive - when I say - given how very often you manage to introduce the criminal US/UK/West/Iraq/Afghanistan/Uncle Tom Cobley and all, into this Russian invasion of Ukraine thread - that I find the accusation of my posting out of context pretty risible.

It was simply your posting a vague (Gulags?) opinion on Stalin's atrocity and my responding with a factual historical link on those years in Ukraine. What followed was superfluous.

Notice I explained that I got it from my history lesson when I was a teenager. I have not given it any further thought. In fact I did not even realise that Gulags were Ukrainian. The way it was taught, it gave the impression they were Russians who refused to hand over their lands for a better setup to feed more people to stop starvation.

If it was vague it is because that's all I remembered and was not about to start digging into history of what happened in 1932 Ukraine. What followed was not superfluous, it put meat on the bone as it were. The true history of what happened at that time. Very important to get to the root of the problem of why what who where and how much. So important.

[Londonrake]

Ohh, I think such things are important. Especially given the current situation in Ukraine.

As a matter of political dogma, in order to enforce the collectivisation of agriculture, rather than what was then quite an efficient system where people owned their farms, plus the Ukranians were quite nationally patriotic types, Stalin deliberately brought about the starvation of almost 4 million men, women and children. That seems pretty cold to me.

[Lordo]

Lets face it Western media stinks.

Unlike?

At least you have the freedom to search out your own "truth". Albeit - and this I think applies to most people - it being of a bias confirmation nature. What do people in places like Russia, North Korea or China do?

Why would I care about what people in Russia or China do regarding media. I let them decide to do what ever they wish to do.
I cared what happened in Afghanistan till the Americans overthrew a legitimate government and installed Taliban.
I also cared about what happened in Iran when America removed a legitimate government and replaced it with the dictatorship, even though I was not even born yet.
I care about a hundred different countries around the world America suck the life out of for her benefit.

My objection is not even that they are shit. My objection is they give people like you and Milti the impression that you have freedom of choice and all they put in front of you is shit. And of course you lap it up as the best thing since sliced bread.


Anyway it is Sunday today and I must do my prayers.

[Pyrpolizer]

I would call it consistency.
2% over a population of 40 million is 800,000 in case you didn't know.
Enough for everybody in Donbas to talk about the Azov criminals.

That's 2% of the electorate, not population. And votes, not guns. Duhhhh!
Stop avoiding the issue. Explain how everybody in Donbas talks about the Azov criminals


The claim the far right have some sort of significant say politically in Ukraine is absurd.
Politically huh? Are we talking for political effect here, or for paramilitary illegal actions of Neo-Nazis, and drug addicts?

Mustn't let that interfere with the propaganda effort though - ehh? (Baaaaa!).
I heard you.

In fact there are vastly far more Nazi orientated politicals in Germany than Ukraine. The AFD for starters. Austria's even worse.
Are they empowered BY LAW to enforce law and order they way they see fit?

The Azov battalion that so much is made of actually has about 1000 members and is part of the National Guard. To put that into perspective, the total Ukrainian Armed Forces are about 250,000 strong.
That's the standard excuse of the Western media. Far from it. The vast majority of the core group was not incorporated in their Army, because they were unfit. You have to add the ones left behind plus thousands of affiliated.

The de-Nazification stuff is all a load of bollocks.

Really? You certainly have no idea what's all about.

A justification for the war meant to appeal to the wider Russian population's perceptions of their greatest moment. Victory over Nazi Germany. 77 years ago tomorrow of course.

If it were a justification they wouldn't include it in their terms. Because they would have nothing to say in the negotiations

[Londonrake]

Lets face it Western media stinks.

Unlike?

At least you have the freedom to search out your own "truth". Albeit - and this I think applies to most people - it being of a bias confirmation nature. What do people in places like Russia, North Korea or China do?

Why would I care about what people in Russia or China do regarding media. I et them decide to do what ever they wish to do.
I cared what happened in Afghanistan till the Americans overthrew a legitimate government and installed Taliban.
I also cared about what happened in Iran when America removed a legitimate government and replaced with the dictatorship, even though I was not even born yet.
I care about a hundred different countries around the world America suck the life out of for her benefit.

My objection is not even that they are shit. My objection is they give people like you and Milti the impression that you have freedom of choice and all they put in front of you is shit. And of course you lap it up as the best thing since sliced bread.


Anyway it is Sunday today and I must do my prayers.

Well, if you've decided that the "western media stinks" I think it only fair to compare the alternatives. Seems a reasonable position.

As I said earlier, in the current world, with all it's problems, your continual and overriding need to obsessively go on about the USA seems pretty myopic to me. And, that doesn't make me some sort of US puppet. It's a question of alternatives, as they (realistically) exist.

I look around at what information's available and try to rationalise, forming opinions based upon many sources and evaluating. I even read some of the bonkers sites' efforts, the sort we're regularly offered in here. If it's the dogmatic believers of anything which angers you, then you're aiming at the wrong person on this forum I think.

Anyway, happy Isha(?).

Back later in the week I suspect. At which point I'm sure there will be - even in GR's strange absence - at least half a dozen pages flying by.

Day 74(?) of the Russian blitkrieg conquest of Ukraine. How's it going?

[Pyrpolizer]

As soon as I find live testimonies as to how many tanks, canons, rocket launchers etc those cowards placed in the back yard of the school I will post them here.
Would you then admit you are a victim of distorted news??

If it weren't such a tragically serious incident I'd probably find your answer hilarious. Albeit entirely predictable.
Distractions, endless distractions... Would you then admit you are a victim of distorted news?? YES OR NO?

You must be missing your guide and mentor.
I think you miss him more than anyone else. You clearly enjoyed his distorting your mental status.

Who seems to have gone AWOL .
Do you really think they died together in some sort of final reckoning? All over words on a small forum populated by us very few irrelevants? Some people really do need to get out more.

Another meaningless mumbling. You can't do without it can you?