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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 06, 2022 5:57 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:Very interesting speech, Putin could not be clearer.


Looks old. In the light of recent events I don't think I've ever listened to so much hypocrisy, packed into such a short space of time.

Angela's loving looks I think sum up what will become her enduring legacy.

Somehow I suspect you did not listen to all of it. Especially who broke the agreements they had. Shame.


Yes. I did, and I suspect after all that's been offered by so many, that's rare. That speech is 15 years old of course and much has changed. His recent invasion of Ukraine has changed it most significantly. I suggest you listen to it again and look at it from an objective point of view. In view of the man's invasion of Ukraine it's hypocritical - in extremis.

What happened to your "I am against all aggressors" - that basically seems to have been about it - and the posts decrying fascism? The Azov stuff (Ukrainian far right groups got about 2% in national elections), glosses over the fact that Putin is surely the most powerful fascist on the planet right now? That aside, most of your contributions seem to have consisted of a catalogue of anti-west stuff. Mostly offered in the usual left-wing, wrist-slashingly negative tone.

You did not clearly hear him say to the Europeans that the security arrangements that had been agreed with the European countries have not been implemented. Yes that was 15 years ago.
As to 2% vote in the national elections have nothing to do with it. The fact is they have a battalion in the east which has the nazi flag and is slaughtering innocent civilians and was doing it since 2014.

We had a vey similar situation in Cyprus back in 1960. The Right wing got 56% of the vote and Akel got 38%t Then of course Makarios gave the police force to Yorgadjis and the Army to an unelected General from Greece. If you understood the gravity of the situation there, you would also understand the gravity of putting a fascist in charge of the army and another in charge of the police. You seem to ignore real facts of what went on in Ukraine. And of course you ignore the fact that there was also a coup where democratically elected president was overthrown.

You also ignoring what the Ukrainian army has been doing in the east since the special operation to protect them. You assume all the destruction is by the Russian army and yet there is places where the civilians have witnessed destruction before the arrival of the Russians, and murder too.
it seems when the Soviet republics joined Nato they had agreed not allow Nuclear weapons on their land. I noticed Poland has just asked for the Americans to install Nuclear weapons. So the question is now that Poland is in Nato she can walk all over the agreement with Russia?

I suspect not. If the Americans are stupid enough to go along with it then perhaps WW3 is unavoidable. Just like WW1 was not either. Nobody wanted it to happen but it did happen and caused the WW2 too and most likely will cause the 3rd one too.

The only consolation is the fact that they come in threes so there will be no more after that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 06, 2022 6:01 pm

https://www.spacewar.com/reports/Chines ... 02e12c5d7c

''The world's largest drone maker DJI has said it will pause all business operations in Russia and Ukraine, in a rare public suspension by a Chinese firm since Moscow's invasion of its neighbour.''
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 06, 2022 6:08 pm

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3v8px/ ... ign=220505

...on pregnant women, and propaganda about them.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 06, 2022 6:09 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:https://www.spacewar.com/reports/Chinese_drone_maker_DJI_suspends_Russia_Ukraine_business_999.html?mc_cid=5ec9412a47&mc_eid=02e12c5d7c

''The world's largest drone maker DJI has said it will pause all business operations in Russia and Ukraine, in a rare public suspension by a Chinese firm since Moscow's invasion of its neighbour.''

This is just for show RW. They can be produced elsewhere and made available.
This drone warfare has changed the way wars are being fought.

WW1 gave us the tank
WW2 gave us the plane and the beginning missile technology
The next one will be based on drones and missiles
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 06, 2022 6:48 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:btw have you seen any video testimonies from those civilians who got out of Azovstal.
Of course you did. The only problem is that you saw only those who don't specify who would not let them leave.
This makes you a victim of distorted truth which is the most effective propaganda technique for brainwashing


Sorry mate. The "distorted truth" is this lunatic idea (which brings me to ask - where is the great man?) that the Russian invasion of Ukraine - with all the thousands of dead and millions of displaced/refugees - is in some way perfectly reasonable. It being a sort of academic thing, to us keyboard types in Cyprus.

There is absolutely no excuse for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Which so far has involved the deaths of thousands of civilians, the enforced displacement of millions and the destruction of cities and towns. None.

To defend such is IMHO a total disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Heaven forbid the idea.

"If Putin goes everything must go!" :roll:


No excuse?? You mean like "excuse me, may I invade you? :lol: :lol: :lol: "

The Russians didn't need childish excuses. All they needed was their RIGHT to invade Ukraine to protect themselves from further Nato expansion. You probably don't know what it means to have Nato at your doorstep....

They waited patiently for Stoltenburg to mock them for over a year regarding Ukraine's "right" to join Nato while the Ukrainians were violating all agreements they signed so far.
They waited watching their people getting slaughtered in Donbas for 8 years by Azov Nazi criminals. They waited watching all their reasonable proposals getting rejected one after another.
Concentrated forces at the borders for more than a month, making their intentions very clear while the Anglo Saxons were actually provoking them to dare invade.

All the Russians needed was no childish excuses, they only needed the RIGHT to Invade. And the Anglo Saxons made sure they got that right.

Capich?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 06, 2022 6:53 pm

Well, that's a long post and - IMHO - a lot of bullshite.

You have a tendency to hypocrisy. The unfairness of anti-Semite accusations against Corbyn. Then a post about turning HMS Belfast's guns on the nearest Jewish quarter. "I will sell my properties and never pass water in Cyprus again". Followed by how much you look forward to living here and listening to the sound of the sea laying in bed. "I am opposed to all aggressors" followed by many posts which clearly support Putin's invasion of Ukraine. "Personal attacks have no place here" (or whatever) when actually you do it quite a bit.

Nations join NATO precisely because of what has happened to Ukraine and Georgia. The more the merrier. Russia can suck it up.

Never trust a dictator. Haven't we come to learn that lesson FFS? And why on earth people with a liberal point of view, Socialists of even Communists rush to support a clearly fascist cunt like Putin is a mystery to a mere dispassionate follower of politics like me.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 06, 2022 7:24 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:No excuse?? You mean like "excuse me, may I invade you? :lol: :lol: :lol: "

The Russians didn't need childish excuses. All they needed was their RIGHT to invade Ukraine to protect themselves from further Nato expansion. You probably don't know what it means to have Nato at your doorstep....

They waited patiently for Stoltenburg to mock them for over a year regarding Ukraine's "right" to join Nato while the Ukrainians were violating all agreements they signed so far.
They waited watching their people getting slaughtered in Donbas for 8 years by Azov Nazi criminals. They waited watching all their reasonable proposals getting rejected one after another.
Concentrated forces at the borders for more than a month, making their intentions very clear while the Anglo Saxons were actually provoking them to dare invade.

All the Russians needed was no childish excuses, they only needed the RIGHT to Invade. And the Anglo Saxons made sure they got that right.

Capich?


Many innocent thousands of Ukrainians have been killed. Millions have lost their homes, or been forced to flee their country. Towns and cities have been virtually obliterated. To defend that makes you a total cunt as far as I'm concerned and - frankly - I don't understand how you can sleep at night with the view that all the carnage in Ukraine has been in any way justifiable.

How many were "slaughtered" in Donbas? How many people who have totally lost their City - Mariupol were "tortured". All that as some sort of, ridiculous, comparison to what the Russian army has done in Ukraine.

NATO - was - like GR's ridiculous secret bio-warfare sites - just an excuse, justification for the war. If you take the trouble to read Putin's views on Ukraine you would understand.

So - how's it going? In the 3rd month of what was supposed to be a short blitzkrieg invasion of Ukraine? How is that great chessmaster Putin's cunning plan getting on? Unfolding exactly as he planned?

How do you feel about GR's oft expressed desire for things to evolve into a nuclear war. No comment it seems. Difficult to understand that mindset. :? Is he almighty?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 06, 2022 7:41 pm

Londonrake wrote:Well, that's a long post and - IMHO - a lot of bullshite.

You have a tendency to hypocrisy. The unfairness of anti-Semite accusations against Corbyn. Then a post about turning HMS Belfast's guns on the nearest Jewish quarter. "I will sell my properties and never pass water in Cyprus again". Followed by how much you look forward to living here and listening to the sound of the sea laying in bed. "I am opposed to all aggressors" followed by many posts which clearly support Putin's invasion of Ukraine. "Personal attacks have no place here" (or whatever) when actually you do it quite a bit.

Nations join NATO precisely because of what has happened to Ukraine and Georgia. The more the merrier. Russia can suck it up.

Never trust a dictator. Haven't we come to learn that lesson FFS? And why on earth people with a liberal point of view, Socialists of even Communists rush to support a clearly fascist cunt like Putin is a mystery to a mere dispassionate follower of politics like me.

What's your pleasure Sir?

Who said all the above, me? Perhaps I was in an nasty mood for the way they joined with the corporations and Israeli government to discredit Corbyn for being any emetic because he supported the Palestinian rights. Naturally there were Jews who did not support this but all the other fuckin scum can go to hell for supporting such a lie.

But hang on a moment my friend. Is Cuba allowed to let in Russian Nuclear missiles?

Like fuck she is.


BTW the Israeli government gets vey upset when this is mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri May 06, 2022 8:06 pm

Anyway here is a brief history of Gulaks from the Daily mail of all places.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3738277/Horrific-punishments-dreamt-Tsars-sent-millions-Siberia.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 06, 2022 8:28 pm

Lordo wrote:Hang on a moment my friend. Is Cuba allowed to let in Russian Nuclear missiles?

Like fuck she is.


Yes, you keep playing that card.

What actually happened though - and how does it compare to the current Ukraine situation?


After Castro took over in 1959 Cuba established a relationship with the Soviet Union that was to last for 30 years.

In 1962 the Russians began a covert program of establishing medium range nuclear missile sites in the country. Missiles which would, once launched, be within a few minutes of striking major US cities. Making any US warning of a missile attack redundant.

When this activity was discovered the Russians lied (Russian, Lying??? "We have no plans to invade Ukraine" VP. Feb 2022)

The US imposed a maritime blockade and eventually an agreement was reached where Russia would give up their plans and the US would remove missiles from Turkey. Plus, an agreement they wouldn't invade the country,

How does that situation in any way compare to what has been going on in Ukraine?
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