Londonrake wrote:Lordo wrote:Londonrake wrote:Lordo wrote:Very interesting speech, Putin could not be clearer.
Looks old. In the light of recent events I don't think I've ever listened to so much hypocrisy, packed into such a short space of time.
Angela's loving looks I think sum up what will become her enduring legacy.
Somehow I suspect you did not listen to all of it. Especially who broke the agreements they had. Shame.
Yes. I did, and I suspect after all that's been offered by so many, that's rare. That speech is 15 years old of course and much has changed. His recent invasion of Ukraine has changed it most significantly. I suggest you listen to it again and look at it from an objective point of view. In view of the man's invasion of Ukraine it's hypocritical - in extremis.
What happened to your "I am against all aggressors" - that basically seems to have been about it - and the posts decrying fascism? The Azov stuff (Ukrainian far right groups got about 2% in national elections), glosses over the fact that Putin is surely the most powerful fascist on the planet right now? That aside, most of your contributions seem to have consisted of a catalogue of anti-west stuff. Mostly offered in the usual left-wing, wrist-slashingly negative tone.
You did not clearly hear him say to the Europeans that the security arrangements that had been agreed with the European countries have not been implemented. Yes that was 15 years ago.
As to 2% vote in the national elections have nothing to do with it. The fact is they have a battalion in the east which has the nazi flag and is slaughtering innocent civilians and was doing it since 2014.
We had a vey similar situation in Cyprus back in 1960. The Right wing got 56% of the vote and Akel got 38%t Then of course Makarios gave the police force to Yorgadjis and the Army to an unelected General from Greece. If you understood the gravity of the situation there, you would also understand the gravity of putting a fascist in charge of the army and another in charge of the police. You seem to ignore real facts of what went on in Ukraine. And of course you ignore the fact that there was also a coup where democratically elected president was overthrown.
You also ignoring what the Ukrainian army has been doing in the east since the special operation to protect them. You assume all the destruction is by the Russian army and yet there is places where the civilians have witnessed destruction before the arrival of the Russians, and murder too.
it seems when the Soviet republics joined Nato they had agreed not allow Nuclear weapons on their land. I noticed Poland has just asked for the Americans to install Nuclear weapons. So the question is now that Poland is in Nato she can walk all over the agreement with Russia?
I suspect not. If the Americans are stupid enough to go along with it then perhaps WW3 is unavoidable. Just like WW1 was not either. Nobody wanted it to happen but it did happen and caused the WW2 too and most likely will cause the 3rd one too.
The only consolation is the fact that they come in threes so there will be no more after that.