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by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:32 pm

@ GR

...was their a (powerful) Church in Russia before Putin? The Archbishop shows a lot of gratitude.

...are you denying that the Archbishop in Moscow acts independently, and against the Ecumenical Patriarchate (of Constantinople), in Istanbul?

by **Get Real!** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:43 pm

EU countries paying for Russian gas in roubles may face legal action
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022 ... ombrovskis

This industry vs government schism is a very nice development that could lead to the breakup of the EU.

I’m sure many can see by now that having a bunch of unelected technocrats in Brussels leading nations down a cliff at will is not such a wise idea after all!

by **Get Real!** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:49 pm

Russia doubles fossil fuel revenues since invasion of Ukraine began

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... aine-began

Damn those sanctions! :lol:

by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:59 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCrDgJdhKMA

''Do Russians think they live in democracy?''

by **Get Real!** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:08 pm

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by **Lordo** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:35 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
BTW so much for unity in the west.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA#:~:text=One%20of%20Germany%27s%20biggest%20energy%20firms%20has%20said,transactions%20to%20be%20made%20in%20the%20Russian%20currency.

This denial to pay in Rubles doesn't make sense. In reality nobody pays in Rubles, everybody pays in Euros. The Central Bank of Russia is presumably converting those Euros to Rubles and then paying Gazprom in Rubles. But for that to be possible the CBR should get rid of Euros in Russia's financial market. Is there really any investor either Russian or foreigner willing to buy Euros by paying in Rubles??

Under the decree, European importers must pay euros or dollars into an account at Gazprombank, the Swiss-based trading arm of Gazprom, and then convert this into roubles in a second account in Russia.
The European Commission said last week that if buyers of Russian gas could complete payments in euros and get confirmation of this before any conversion into roubles took place, that would not breach sanctions.

This is how well these sanctions have been put in place. Clearly they were not designed to stop trading, just make it a little more difficult. This way another party has to be in between and they make a few quid too.
But this must begin to hurt the dollar though.

by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:58 pm

by **Pyrpolizer** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:31 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
BTW so much for unity in the west.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA#:~:text=One%20of%20Germany%27s%20biggest%20energy%20firms%20has%20said,transactions%20to%20be%20made%20in%20the%20Russian%20currency.

This denial to pay in Rubles doesn't make sense. In reality nobody pays in Rubles, everybody pays in Euros. The Central Bank of Russia is presumably converting those Euros to Rubles and then paying Gazprom in Rubles. But for that to be possible the CBR should get rid of Euros in Russia's financial market. Is there really any investor either Russian or foreigner willing to buy Euros by paying in Rubles??

Under the decree, European importers must pay euros or dollars into an account at Gazprombank, the Swiss-based trading arm of Gazprom, and then convert this into roubles in a second account in Russia.
The European Commission said last week that if buyers of Russian gas could complete payments in euros and get confirmation of this before any conversion into roubles took place, that would not breach sanctions.

This is how well these sanctions have been put in place. Clearly they were not designed to stop trading, just make it a little more difficult. This way another party has to be in between and they make a few quid too.
But this must begin to hurt the dollar though.

I really doubt there's any conversion ever made. They pay in Euros get a receipt from the Bank for their payment in Euros and finally a meaningless invoice in Rubles. In other words the Russians are just piling Euros. The big question is to buy what with those Euros? Certainly almost nothing from the EU but surely a lot of things from China! Who can ever stop trading LOL :lol:

by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQR36Z7Pwn4
Russia: The Orthodox Connection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpaHLnsx2hQ
Religion at the heart of understanding Russia’s claim on Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNhY_rCsLlA
Why has Ukraine's Orthodox church split from Russia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_awL1nsJE
Is the Russian Orthodox Church serving God or Putin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh09OfNCT5E
The religious roots of Putin's invasion -

Putin reflects the "Russian" people, yet Russia is bigger than that; easy to forget in "their" church.