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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:17 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472

...about the refugees, and the displaced.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:23 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472

...about the refugees, and the displaced.


"One refugee/displaced is a tragedy. 11 million is a statistic". To paraphrase that wonderful humanitarian, Joseph Stalin.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:25 pm

Londonrake wrote:So you think that the death of millions in the UK is warranted based upon events which took place - what - a century or so ago? Their "justifiable comeuppance"? Looking back through history and various empire building activities there must be a pretty long account of due reckoning for quite a few countries. Many being overdue a similar comeuppance I suppose.

It isn't just your extraordinary degree of hatred though - you clearly and fervently desire it. That I suggest is the thinking of a madman. Not a rational human being. No? :?

OK… so now you know that madmen do exist.

Do you really think the US wouldn't retaliate if Russia started "unleashing nukes everywhere"? Again - better be sure - eh?

What makes you think the US strategic nuclear inventory is "neglected"? :? Do share. Does it apply to the rest of their stuff, outwith the silo based element, too?

I’ve followed everything I could get my hands on over the years pertaining to US nukes; on land (silos), submarine based, and plane based… so yeah the land based are seriously neglected but the subs should be good to go, but their main problem is that if Russia strikes with hypersonics the US’ early warning systems will fail to trigger an automated response.

I have a friend who spent 3 years as the Project Director of a big petrochemical installation in Russia. Based mainly in Moscow. He told me that nothing fucking works in the place. So - what makes you think their missiles are up to scratch? Gut feeling?

The nukes are everything to Russia and something that Putin is personally involved in by following through as the project manager. Right now is the best chance they'll ever get in defeating the US because in 6 months time the US will have cracked the hypersonic riddle and will have caught up. The hypersonic "riddle" if I may call it that, is to create a missile casing that will endure the tremendous heat generated at hypersonic speeds and thus far the Russians and Chinese have succeeded to mass production stage. The US is still frantically fiddling with prototypes but no edge lasts forever... eventually they'll get there.


FWIW the US cancelled a test of the Minuteman 3 in March to avoid "raising tensions". That after Putin put his stategic nuclear forces on high alert and before the big fanfare about the Satan II test. Beware the dictator who's painted himself into a corner and keeps going on about his nuclear weapons. :shock:

It was a hypersonic prototype test they cancelled and rightfully so because they know they're lagging in technology and need more time to crack it.

Don't be sure targets on Cyprus aren't on the plot. It wouldn't matter though. In a global nuclear war you're going to get your share, whatever. Your family, too. Although from the depth of your clear desire for self destruction I'm guessing you don't have any children's futures to consider.

If it makes you feel better the fact that Cyprus is Christian Orthodox will also go a long way to spare us from getting nuked by Russia.

I've a lot of faith in humanity actually. Although, the extent of negativity about them in here could be pretty depressing, to the impressionable.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:43 pm

If it makes you feel better the fact that Cyprus is Christian Orthodox will also go a long way to spare us from getting nuked by Russia.


...really? Putin's Church is not a part of the Christian Orthodox Faith as you allude; This Archbishop has isolated himself with his declaration against all the rest, and by declaring this war, Putin's war, a Holy War.

Cyprus plays an important role in all this. I have already posted articles about this from the Orthodox Times; i will likely post more.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:OK… so now you know that madmen do exist.

I’ve followed everything I could get my hands on over the years pertaining to US nukes; on land (silos), submarine based, and plane based… so yeah the land based are seriously neglected but the subs should be good to go, but their main problem is that if Russia strikes with hypersonics the US’ early warning systems will fail to trigger an automated response.

The nukes are everything to Russia and something that Putin is personally involved in by following through as the project manager. Right now is the best chance they'll ever get in defeating the US because in 6 months time the US will have cracked the hypersonic riddle and will have caught up. The hypersonic "riddle" if I may call it that, is to create a missile casing that will endure the tremendous heat generated at hypersonic speeds and thus far the Russians and Chinese have succeeded to mass production stage. The US is still frantically fiddling with prototypes but no edge lasts forever... eventually they'll get there.

It was a hypersonic prototype test they cancelled and rightfully so because they know they're lagging in technology and need more time to crack it.

If it makes you feel better the fact that Cyprus is Christian Orthodox will also go a long way to spare us from getting nuked by Russia.


Yep. And like I said, you are a rare treasure. Certainly the best in my experience. I look forward to enjoying more of your views. :wink: Nevertheless and FWIW, I think everybody on this forum would benefit from less of the stuff between yourself and Milti.

Although a lot of fuss has been made, just like with Satan II, which was in development long before Ukraine, Russia doesn't have a deployed, proven hypersonic missile system which lives up to your view. Their main development thrust with them has been in the area of anti-ship weapons. The use of one in Ukraine was an unwarranted PR display of what is in essence an experimental weapon. If you think they have masses of them in the field, of an intercontinental type, you're misinformed.

All ICBMs are hypersonic. The various defensive warning systems on both sides have been developed with that in mind. Even so, the idea they are going to attack the US and take them by complete surprise - a la Pearl Harbour - is risible. They will get their share back, the whole basis of MAD (a great acronym). All the reams of BS about such things as hypersonic missiles and Satan IIs skirt around the main point for the sake of sensational headlines. That being, both countries have had the capability to totally eliminate the other - several times over - for half a century. Those in charge know that. Let's hope their sanity is up to scratch. At least we know Joe is OK. He will be asleep. :lol:

I hope you're right about the religious aspect. Although, TBH, there hasn't been much evidence of Christian ideals on the part of the Russian army in Ukraine. You don't seem to have grasped though what the consequences for all of us would be of even a limited nuclear exchange. Consequences for everybody on the planet. Do you think life would go on just as before? :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...really? Putin's Church is not a part of the Christian Orthodox Faith as you allude; This Archbishop has isolated himself with his declaration against all the rest, and by declaring this war, Putin's war, a Holy War.

They all come under the Eastern Orthodox Church so I'm not sure what you're on about! :?

And there's no such thing as "Putin's church".
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:08 pm

Londonrake wrote:I think everybody on this forum would benefit from less of the stuff between yourself and Milti.

Most people know me... I just go about my business of posting miscellaneous things with great interest and dedication and he'll just log on and home in on me just to annoy me so it's really not fault... I'm never the one who starts anything.

The truth of the matter is I haven't the slightest interest in that weirdo and frankly he bores me shitless!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:23 pm



This denial to pay in Rubles doesn't make sense. In reality nobody pays in Rubles, everybody pays in Euros. The Central Bank of Russia is presumably converting those Euros to Rubles and then paying Gazprom in Rubles. But for that to be possible the CBR should get rid of Euros in Russia's financial market. Is there really any investor either Russian or foreigner willing to buy Euros by paying in Rubles??
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:31 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:Stop getting over excited, there will be no nuclear war exchange.

We may end up in a WW3 situation but nuclear stuff will be kept where they are.


I sincerely hope you're right. I'm not "over excited" but as I've said many times before, we're dealing with one man here who has over 6000 nuclear weapons at his beck and call. I doubt the like of Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini - even a Ceausescu would have hesitated to use such once they realised the game was up.

Hopefully, some way will appear out of the famous "fog of war" where Putin can get something he can present to the Russian people as a "victory" and that will be the end of the possibility of world wars or nuclear armageddon. Because Mr GR is fantasising if he believes there's absolutely any way we can get to that stage without the ramifications for all of us being horrendous. Whether we get our share of warheads or not.

That is how western media is describing him. Western media is full of shit controlled by very few individuals playing to their tune. American corporations are doing very well out of this situation and children being killed does not concern them, they are getting exactly what their after. Turning the Russian pipelines to off and turning their own pipelines to on in EU.

Nuclear weapons cannot be used by anybody. It is time Nato had a re-thought about what they have done and what they are doing and finally what they will do if this continues. They will bring Ukraine to Afghanistan level.

Perhaps the time has come for the Ukrainians to realise that there is no winning this and offer the Russian speakers a proper BBF to unite again or pack it in and let them go their own way. This idea that they will repel Russia and get their land back under their control is bullshit. The Russians living there have got as much right to be there as anybody else and their voice must be heard.

There is plenty of space for all to get on well with a win win situation.
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