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Why is Mariupol so important to the West?

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[Pyrpolizer]

Bucha's lie collapses, but the media continues to play the game
The media are reporting new details about Bucha, but withhold the fact that these details refute the Western legend of the "Russian massacre". Here I trace the history of the message.
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Apr 25, 2022 7:31 p.m

Der Spiegel reports today under the headline " Attack with »Flechette artillery« – dozens of civilians in Bucha apparently killed by metal arrows " about new details of the alleged massacre by the Russian army in Bucha. This Spiegel article, and the case of Butscha in general, is a very good example of how the media misinforms and how easily it can be exposed.

The decisive factor is the first paragraph in the Spiegel article, which I quote here, whereby I set the external links set by Der Spiegel as they were set in the original:

"Dozens of civilian casualties in Bucha, Ukraine, have apparently been killed by tiny metal darts from shells fired by Russian artillery, known as 'flechette' artillery. The British » Guardian « published corresponding research on Sunday and thus substantiated testimonies that the » Washington Post « had compiled a few days earlier.

Follow the sources

After this paragraph, there is no need to continue reading the Spiegel article because it is clear that it relies on two sources, namely the Guardian and the Washington Post. So you don't have to read what Der Spiegel writes about their article, you should read the original article straight away.

We will look at these articles in a moment, but I can anticipate one thing: the statement by Spiegel that something is being “backed up” by “ testimonies ” (plural, i.e. many testimonies) is disinformation. It sounds convincing, but in fact it is only one witness cited by the Washington Post, and she was not interviewed by the newspaper itself, but by a Ukrainian who did it for the newspaper.

But let's look at each one in turn.
What did the Guardian report?

The Guardian's April 24 article is now widely cited, but it didn't really add much that was new. The Flechettes were mentioned in the Washington Post's April 18 article. Flechettes are small metal darts three to four centimeters long that are fired with artillery and when such a projectile hits, 8,000 flechettes are distributed over a radius of hundreds of meters in order to injure or kill as many "soft targets", i.e. people, as possible. Such ammunition has been around since the First World War, but is hardly used today.

The Guardian added only one new detail to the Washington Post information, namely the fact that these arrows were stuck in the bodies of many of Bucha's victims who were allegedly executed by Russian soldiers. This contradicts the previous version of Bucha's events, but that doesn't bother the western media, which still believe that Russia is to blame for everything.
The information from the Washington Post

The Washington Post reported the Flechettes on April 18, but the media ignored this. The Washington Post reported on the finding of the Flechettes in Bucha, citing a single witness named Svitlana Chmut, who is now being named in all media.

The author of the article sits in the editorial office in Washington, he did not speak to the witness himself. This is also made clear by the fact that at the end of the article you can read that a certain Serhii Korolchuk contributed to the article. Korolchuk is located in Chernihiv , Ukraine, which is about 150 kilometers from Bucha.

So we have the following situation: A Ukrainian reports to the Washington Post that he spoke to a woman who told him that the Russians fired on Bucha with flechette artillery. There are no other witnesses or evidence for this. It sounded different in the mirror, didn't it?

There is only a brief reference in the article to the fact that the Russians allegedly fired this ammunition. But that is enough for the Guardian and then all other western media – including Spiegel – to report that the Russians were the perpetrators. The Washington Post states:

“Chmut found the projectiles in her car on the morning of March 25 or 26, she said, after a night of intense shelling from both sides. It is not clear whether the Russian troops were wounded by their own missiles.”

That's all. The woman can't even remember the exact date and says it was shot from both sides. But for the media it is clear: the Russians are to blame.
What are the facts?

As always, the chronology is important for understanding. At the end of February, the Russian army took Bucha and held the city until March 30. On March 30, the Russian army evacuated the city.

The Western media claims that the Russian army carried out a massacre and that the bodies were already visible on satellite images around March 20, the authenticity of which is doubtful . In Butscha, temperatures ranged between 10 and 16 degrees in the second half of March. Put a piece of meat on the balcony at these temperatures and see what's left of it after two weeks and, above all, what kind of "aroma" will be on your balcony.

Nevertheless, the corpses presented to the world public in Bucha from April 3 were "fresh" and no journalist reported anything about the stench of decomposition in Bucha. The story about the bodies that have been lying in the streets for two weeks - according to American satellite images - can safely be released into the realm of fantasy, but Western media are still sticking to it.
From a military point of view

Now we have learned that Flechette artillery fired at Bucha on March 25 or 26. That seems to be true, after all thousands of these small arrows were apparently found in the city and also in many of the corpses. But in those days the city was completely in Russian hands. Would the Russian army fire such uncontrollable ammunition at a city it controls?

It's not even about the civilians now, unfortunately in war it's always about our own soldiers first. Whether the Russians or the Ukrainians would fire such ammunition at residential areas and endanger civilians is irrelevant for the reconstruction of the sequence of events. It's about the military component and one thing can be said for sure: neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians want to kill their own soldiers, they are still needed to fight the enemy. It is therefore more than unlikely that the Russian army fired at Bucha with this uncontrollable ammunition on March 25 or 26, as it would have endangered its own soldiers.

The Ukrainians, on the other hand, did not have to have such inhibitions, on the contrary: their goal is precisely to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, which is why the use of such ammunition for the Ukrainian forces would have made sense from a military point of view.
The Boucha Legend

The Russian army evacuated Bucha on March 30, and that is not disputed, because the mayor of Bucha happily announced in a video message on March 31 that the city had been liberated. He didn't say a word about dead bodies on the streets and his good mood was extremely good. The same applies to other Ukrainian videos of the following days: There were no bodies on the streets of Bucha and the civilians who were questioned said nothing about bodies or a Russian massacre. Details about this and the videos, or links to them, can be found in this article .

But what does that mean for the Bucha legend that Western media and politicians hold up? They will continue to uphold this legend without any evidence but with such claims - self and mutually contradicting - because who cares about facts when it comes to war propaganda?

[Lordo]

Bucha's lie collapses, but the media continues to play the game
The media are reporting new details about Bucha, but withhold the fact that these details refute the Western legend of the "Russian massacre". Here I trace the history of the message.
from
Apr 25, 2022 7:31 p.m

Der Spiegel reports today under the headline " Attack with »Flechette artillery« – dozens of civilians in Bucha apparently killed by metal arrows " about new details of the alleged massacre by the Russian army in Bucha. This Spiegel article, and the case of Butscha in general, is a very good example of how the media misinforms and how easily it can be exposed.

The decisive factor is the first paragraph in the Spiegel article, which I quote here, whereby I set the external links set by Der Spiegel as they were set in the original:

"Dozens of civilian casualties in Bucha, Ukraine, have apparently been killed by tiny metal darts from shells fired by Russian artillery, known as 'flechette' artillery. The British » Guardian « published corresponding research on Sunday and thus substantiated testimonies that the » Washington Post « had compiled a few days earlier.

Follow the sources

After this paragraph, there is no need to continue reading the Spiegel article because it is clear that it relies on two sources, namely the Guardian and the Washington Post. So you don't have to read what Der Spiegel writes about their article, you should read the original article straight away.

We will look at these articles in a moment, but I can anticipate one thing: the statement by Spiegel that something is being “backed up” by “ testimonies ” (plural, i.e. many testimonies) is disinformation. It sounds convincing, but in fact it is only one witness cited by the Washington Post, and she was not interviewed by the newspaper itself, but by a Ukrainian who did it for the newspaper.

But let's look at each one in turn.
What did the Guardian report?

The Guardian's April 24 article is now widely cited, but it didn't really add much that was new. The Flechettes were mentioned in the Washington Post's April 18 article. Flechettes are small metal darts three to four centimeters long that are fired with artillery and when such a projectile hits, 8,000 flechettes are distributed over a radius of hundreds of meters in order to injure or kill as many "soft targets", i.e. people, as possible. Such ammunition has been around since the First World War, but is hardly used today.

The Guardian added only one new detail to the Washington Post information, namely the fact that these arrows were stuck in the bodies of many of Bucha's victims who were allegedly executed by Russian soldiers. This contradicts the previous version of Bucha's events, but that doesn't bother the western media, which still believe that Russia is to blame for everything.
The information from the Washington Post

The Washington Post reported the Flechettes on April 18, but the media ignored this. The Washington Post reported on the finding of the Flechettes in Bucha, citing a single witness named Svitlana Chmut, who is now being named in all media.

The author of the article sits in the editorial office in Washington, he did not speak to the witness himself. This is also made clear by the fact that at the end of the article you can read that a certain Serhii Korolchuk contributed to the article. Korolchuk is located in Chernihiv , Ukraine, which is about 150 kilometers from Bucha.

So we have the following situation: A Ukrainian reports to the Washington Post that he spoke to a woman who told him that the Russians fired on Bucha with flechette artillery. There are no other witnesses or evidence for this. It sounded different in the mirror, didn't it?

There is only a brief reference in the article to the fact that the Russians allegedly fired this ammunition. But that is enough for the Guardian and then all other western media – including Spiegel – to report that the Russians were the perpetrators. The Washington Post states:

“Chmut found the projectiles in her car on the morning of March 25 or 26, she said, after a night of intense shelling from both sides. It is not clear whether the Russian troops were wounded by their own missiles.”

That's all. The woman can't even remember the exact date and says it was shot from both sides. But for the media it is clear: the Russians are to blame.
What are the facts?

As always, the chronology is important for understanding. At the end of February, the Russian army took Bucha and held the city until March 30. On March 30, the Russian army evacuated the city.

The Western media claims that the Russian army carried out a massacre and that the bodies were already visible on satellite images around March 20, the authenticity of which is doubtful . In Butscha, temperatures ranged between 10 and 16 degrees in the second half of March. Put a piece of meat on the balcony at these temperatures and see what's left of it after two weeks and, above all, what kind of "aroma" will be on your balcony.

Nevertheless, the corpses presented to the world public in Bucha from April 3 were "fresh" and no journalist reported anything about the stench of decomposition in Bucha. The story about the bodies that have been lying in the streets for two weeks - according to American satellite images - can safely be released into the realm of fantasy, but Western media are still sticking to it.
From a military point of view

Now we have learned that Flechette artillery fired at Bucha on March 25 or 26. That seems to be true, after all thousands of these small arrows were apparently found in the city and also in many of the corpses. But in those days the city was completely in Russian hands. Would the Russian army fire such uncontrollable ammunition at a city it controls?

It's not even about the civilians now, unfortunately in war it's always about our own soldiers first. Whether the Russians or the Ukrainians would fire such ammunition at residential areas and endanger civilians is irrelevant for the reconstruction of the sequence of events. It's about the military component and one thing can be said for sure: neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians want to kill their own soldiers, they are still needed to fight the enemy. It is therefore more than unlikely that the Russian army fired at Bucha with this uncontrollable ammunition on March 25 or 26, as it would have endangered its own soldiers.

The Ukrainians, on the other hand, did not have to have such inhibitions, on the contrary: their goal is precisely to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, which is why the use of such ammunition for the Ukrainian forces would have made sense from a military point of view.
The Boucha Legend

The Russian army evacuated Bucha on March 30, and that is not disputed, because the mayor of Bucha happily announced in a video message on March 31 that the city had been liberated. He didn't say a word about dead bodies on the streets and his good mood was extremely good. The same applies to other Ukrainian videos of the following days: There were no bodies on the streets of Bucha and the civilians who were questioned said nothing about bodies or a Russian massacre. Details about this and the videos, or links to them, can be found in this article .

But what does that mean for the Bucha legend that Western media and politicians hold up? They will continue to uphold this legend without any evidence but with such claims - self and mutually contradicting - because who cares about facts when it comes to war propaganda?

Its not the first time they did this. The did exactly the same in Iraq with the sexed up documents and 45 minutes to fire WMD. Same lies and the cunts fell for it second time. You cannot make it up.

[Maximus]

Trump is coming back,

The US has stupid people running the country and the world is going to be blown to pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXezcmXLgM

[Pyrpolizer]

anyone not knowing what this war is all about i suggest to watch this doco, episode 1...there are four epidsodes...



for milti and his west, i would pay special attention from 7:50min - 9:30min, it spells it out actually on how the west was build...and on whose backs...as kikapu said...

and the ukraine war today is about oil...russia has it, and usa foreign policy is to eventually get it and control it...so usa is trying to prevent russia from selling it...
and also the second foreign policy is china, hasn't got it and usa trying to stop china from getting it...

the big problem facing the USA, is her foreign policy has been hijacked by corporations...globalism is putting a damper on usa policy,
you have one side in government stuck on oil, the other on globalism and another side that wants both at the same time...and at the same time fighting each other...

Great video Boomers. Does any of the other 3 episodes say anything about the oil in the Black sea?

Also does anyone know how the EEZs were agreed over there, between the Turks and the rest? Crimea is pointing hugely inside that sea, were the EEZ rights for Crimea signed to Russia, or to Ukraine?

[Lordo]

I am betting Milti will fall asleep before the 7 minute mark. Excellent video explaining how the west stole the resources and so blatantly too.

[Pyrpolizer]

Its not the first time they did this. The did exactly the same in Iraq with the sexed up documents and 45 minutes to fire WMD. Same lies and the cunts fell for it second time. You cannot make it up.

Before the Russians withdrew from the area around Kiev, they were publishing "reliable information" from their secret services, that the Ukrainians were instructed by the British to collect about 300 corpses from all over Ukraine and concentrate them somewhere, to stage something for the journalists. I didn't pay much attention to that back then.

Imagine my surprise when it actually happened a week later, more so when I heard the number of corpses were 325!!!

Just to remind the herd in here that Russia was the first who demanded 3 times for the issue of Bucha to be brought at the UN, and all 3 times it was rejected by the British who had the chair.
Instead they just pushed for a voting to expel Russia from UNHRC.

How much more of a cunts can these British be?

[Lordo]

Its not the first time they did this. The did exactly the same in Iraq with the sexed up documents and 45 minutes to fire WMD. Same lies and the cunts fell for it second time. You cannot make it up.

Before the Russians withdrew from the area around Kiev, they were publishing "reliable information" from their secret services, that the Ukrainians were instructed by the British to collect about 300 corpses from all over Ukraine and concentrate them somewhere, to stage something for the journalists. I didn't pay much attention to that back then.

Imagine my surprise when it actually happened a week later, more so when I heard the number of corpses were 325!!!

Just to remind the herd in here that Russia was the first who demanded 3 times for the issue of Bucha to be brought at the UN, and all 3 times it was rejected by the British who had the chair.
Instead they just pushed for a voting to expel Russia from UNHRC.

How much more of a cunts can these British be?

No Tory government has ever been any good in our history but this one is beyond any of the others. In the pockets of the corporation crushing the workers and non-workers alike. It saddens me to be part of this setup and I cannot wait for the day when I do not have to stay here. Although since I was able to vote I never voted for these bastards. Not that Blair was any fuckin better but at least we had the 1945 Labour government that set up everything that's good here but the bastard Tories have been trying to dismantle it ever since.

[Paphitis]

Germany sending advance AA Armour to the Ukrainian Military as the entire EU, US and other allies vow that Russian will lose this war.

In the meantime, Russia threatens the west with Nuclear annihilation which is unheard of and an absolute no no, lest the west take it seriously. This can only happen under the sleepy Biden administration.

This is what happens when Trump is booted from office.

Thank fully, it looks like Trump is on his way back and likely will win the Presidency in 2024.

That because the Democrats are incompetent and have proven to be a disaster. Their stupidity has allowed Russia to use the N word with impunity.

In the meantime folks, please enjoy the spectacle of the Russian Military embarrassing itself. Please enjoy the spectacle of their endless war for them till the day they withdraw.

[boomerang]

I am betting Milti will fall asleep before the 7 minute mark. Excellent video explaining how the west stole the resources and so blatantly too.

it seems, milti's last 2 remaining brain cells have fallen off the wagon long ago...