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[Paphitis]

Ukraine asks G7 for $50 billion to cover budget shortfall

The problem is the Ukrainians are useless in battle and burn through everything sent to them very quickly, some of which is no doubt stolen and sold off… I’ll bet by the end of the year Zelensky will rival Musk’s wealth!

This amount is Ukraine’s 1/3 of the GDP in what they want after 2 months of war. They will be asking $250 billion more if the war lasts for a whole year.

This is what happens when you start giving, then the receiver never stops asking for more. The question is, how long is the giver is willing to give, for how long and for how much?

I do not think the west is going to just give, give and give. At some point Ukraine’s usefulness as an “useful idiot” will come to an end for the west. It always happens!

The cost to the west should Ukraine lose wpould be in the Trillions. That's because we would be guaranteed to have more wars in Europe from Russian Expansionism, war in Asia from China over Taiwan and so on.

And that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's where Get Real's fantasy of a Nuclear Holocaust becomes a very distinct possibility rather than Get Real's sexual fantasy.

Supplying Ukraine with surplus weapons in reality is of no cost at all to the west and Europe than the alternative of any Russian success leading to more destruction and death in the future.

I'm pretty sure, the west would be happy to supply Ukraine for many years to come. Not only that, but when Ukraine wins this war, Ukraine would be the beneficiary of many Billions in Aid from the west so they can pick up the pieces, rebuild, and finally joind the EU and NATO. Yes I did say it.

Ukraine will be joining NATO the way things are going.

Because it appears there will be no peace agreement.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ukraine says phase two of the war has begun

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/19/russia- ... dates.html

[Get Real!]

I'm fine in the US Get Real believe me. Whilst the thought of Nuclear War is as of late in my thoughts, it remains an extremely unlikely scenario. Whilst, it can never be ruled out when dealing with an ever seemingly more desperate sociopathic Pootin, he still is unlikely to go Nuclear because if he did, hundreds of American ICBMs would be launched from land and from USN Submarines under the waves, before the first Russian Nuclear ICBM lands on US soil. The US would have no choice.

Goodnight Paphitis...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ile-133577

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... c-missile/

[Paphitis]

"Russia decided to recognize the pseudo-state by opening a consulate in the Occupied Territories, laying the groundwork for the looting of East-Med and setting up a new crisis around Cyprus."

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ri ... x_tr_hl=en

The CyProb solved... Goodnight!

If so, it is clear that Russia is trying to stir a fight between NATO members Greece-Turkey to cause a problem within NATO.

I would say that would be a clever and crafty plan by Putin.

Russia has been doing that for years now (since 1974 actually), and NATO has done an incredible job of keeping both on a short leash.

[Paphitis]

"Russia decided to recognize the pseudo-state by opening a consulate in the Occupied Territories, laying the groundwork for the looting of East-Med and setting up a new crisis around Cyprus."

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ri ... x_tr_hl=en

The CyProb solved... Goodnight!

And yet, the US and all its western allies refuse to recognize the occupied north.

mmmm....interesting.

[Paphitis]

I'm fine in the US Get Real believe me. Whilst the thought of Nuclear War is as of late in my thoughts, it remains an extremely unlikely scenario. Whilst, it can never be ruled out when dealing with an ever seemingly more desperate sociopathic Pootin, he still is unlikely to go Nuclear because if he did, hundreds of American ICBMs would be launched from land and from USN Submarines under the waves, before the first Russian Nuclear ICBM lands on US soil. The US would have no choice.

Goodnight Paphitis...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... ile-133577

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... c-missile/

Your Washington Post Article is nearly 5 years old.

The US has a different race in its sights. It's missile currently under developing are actuially a much more stable, capable platform and have a longer range.

The Ukrainian Military captured a Russian Drone and they dismembered it piece by piece to analyse the state of the art Russian technology. They found a Jananese made Canon EOS 1500, and chip boards made in the UK. School kids in America would do a better job building their own drone.

Russia is 20 years behind. Face it.

America doesn't rush to bring an inferior weapon into service. That's Pootin's game. he is welcome to have the bragging rights but its rather mute when the US Long Range Hypersonic Missile will have a range of 1750 + nautical miles. Btw, 1 nm = to 1852m or 1.852kms

[Londonrake]

"Russia decided to recognize the pseudo-state by opening a consulate in the Occupied Territories, laying the groundwork for the looting of East-Med and setting up a new crisis around Cyprus."

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ri ... x_tr_hl=en

The CyProb solved... Goodnight!

And yet, the US and all its western allies refuse to recognize the occupied north.

mmmm....interesting.

As Lavrov himself has said - it’s BS. From a “Junk” website.

[Maximus]

Ukraine asks G7 for $50 billion to cover budget shortfall

The problem is the Ukrainians are useless in battle and burn through everything sent to them very quickly, some of which is no doubt stolen and sold off… I’ll bet by the end of the year Zelensky will rival Musk’s wealth!

This amount is Ukraine’s 1/3 of the GDP in what they want after 2 months of war. They will be asking $250 billion more if the war lasts for a whole year.

This is what happens when you start giving, then the receiver never stops asking for more. The question is, how long is the giver is willing to give, for how long and for how much?

I do not think the west is going to just give, give and give. At some point Ukraine’s usefulness as an “useful idiot” will come to an end for the west. It always happens!

The cost to the west should Ukraine lose wpould be in the Trillions. That's because we would be guaranteed to have more wars in Europe from Russian Expansionism, war in Asia from China over Taiwan and so on.

And that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's where Get Real's fantasy of a Nuclear Holocaust becomes a very distinct possibility rather than Get Real's sexual fantasy.

Supplying Ukraine with surplus weapons in reality is of no cost at all to the west and Europe than the alternative of any Russian success leading to more destruction and death in the future.

I'm pretty sure, the west would be happy to supply Ukraine for many years to come. Not only that, but when Ukraine wins this war, Ukraine would be the beneficiary of many Billions in Aid from the west so they can pick up the pieces, rebuild, and finally joind the EU and NATO. Yes I did say it.

Ukraine will be joining NATO the way things are going.

Because it appears there will be no peace agreement.

You are partially right Paphitis,

The West is more than happy to keep supplying Ukraine with weapons to fight Russia. They are happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Its no cost to the west at all because Ukraine will be paying for it in the end. In blood and treasure.

if you think the west is going to keep supplying weapons, keep providing financial assistance, pay more through inflation and the rest of it for nothing, you are sadly mistaken.

In the end, Ukraine will pay far more than she is bargaining for.

This is a disaster for all involved but more so for the Ukrainian people who will be picking up the pieces.

A totally, unnecessary (global) disaster because a comedian and his followers wanted to join NATO.

[Paphitis]

Ukraine asks G7 for $50 billion to cover budget shortfall

The problem is the Ukrainians are useless in battle and burn through everything sent to them very quickly, some of which is no doubt stolen and sold off… I’ll bet by the end of the year Zelensky will rival Musk’s wealth!

This amount is Ukraine’s 1/3 of the GDP in what they want after 2 months of war. They will be asking $250 billion more if the war lasts for a whole year.

This is what happens when you start giving, then the receiver never stops asking for more. The question is, how long is the giver is willing to give, for how long and for how much?

I do not think the west is going to just give, give and give. At some point Ukraine’s usefulness as an “useful idiot” will come to an end for the west. It always happens!

The cost to the west should Ukraine lose wpould be in the Trillions. That's because we would be guaranteed to have more wars in Europe from Russian Expansionism, war in Asia from China over Taiwan and so on.

And that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and that's where Get Real's fantasy of a Nuclear Holocaust becomes a very distinct possibility rather than Get Real's sexual fantasy.

Supplying Ukraine with surplus weapons in reality is of no cost at all to the west and Europe than the alternative of any Russian success leading to more destruction and death in the future.

I'm pretty sure, the west would be happy to supply Ukraine for many years to come. Not only that, but when Ukraine wins this war, Ukraine would be the beneficiary of many Billions in Aid from the west so they can pick up the pieces, rebuild, and finally joind the EU and NATO. Yes I did say it.

Ukraine will be joining NATO the way things are going.

Because it appears there will be no peace agreement.

You are partially right Paphitis,

The West is more than happy to keep supplying Ukraine with weapons to fight Russia. They are happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Its no cost to the west at all because Ukraine will be paying for it in the end. In blood and treasure.

if you think the west is going to keep supplying weapons, keep providing financial assistance, pay more through inflation and the rest of it for nothing, you are sadly mistaken.

In the end, Ukraine will pay far more than she is bargaining for.

This is a disaster for all involved but more so for the Ukrainian people who will be picking up the pieces.

A totally, unnecessary (global) disaster because a comedian and his followers wanted to join NATO.

Ukraine has no choice Maximus.

It is no different to what many countries have had to do in the past in order to survive. Greece faced similar situation in WW2. They kept fighting Max. They kept grinding the Nazis down wherever they could and they did it for 4 years.

Not just Greece mind you. But many European countries had to do this.

Ukraine can't stop. The results of stopping, is losing. And the risk of losing will only mean another Russian offensive in 8 years time. It stops here I'm afraid. Russia made a very critical error in 2014. Now they will be paying the price.

Sure, they will pay a very heavy price themselves. But nowhere near the price they would pay down the track if they stop.

[Maximus]

This is where I think you are wrong,

Ukraine had the choice to stop shelling the Donbass regions,

They had the choice to do nothing and remain neutral to avert a war.

I mean, what was the problem with being neutral and friendly with Russia and the west?

Russia had no intention of invading Ukraine before this.

Well, they fucked up here and now the price has gone up exponentially for everyone.

This war they are fighting is absolute stupidity, pure and simple.