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[Kikapu]

It is very relevant actually. Didn't you state that Russia will eventually be victorious in Ukraine? That being the case, why must more people die first until then? Japan surroundered and then prospered. Same would have happened if Tokyo was next on the list, only more dead, no? Japan was not without weapons at the time to challenge their enemy. They were just out gunned!

I think I said I still thought Russia would ultimately win in Ukraine. The numbers speak for themselves (I could be wrong of course ). Although, if I didn't then I now qualify that by saying it depends on your interpretation of "win".

Putin is now clearly in a situation where he's forced to escalate until he can claim some sort of face-saving victory to the Russian people.The man understands - like all dictators - that a comfortable retirement isn't part of his horoscope.

Again, the relentless posting of threads to divert from the Ukraine to events in US history. Why don't those concerned just raise a relevant thread? Instead of continually trying to make every post an anti-US ranting session? It's Russia that's invaded Ukraine FFS.

Tokyo wasn't "next on the list". It was being bombed nightly. Not the token Doolittle effort but the relentless - virtually unopposed - B29 mass raids. Those alone destroying about two thirds of the city and on one single night resulting in 80,000 Japanese deaths. Tokyo homes were made out of wood and paper and their militaristic dominated government's hubris had made no preparations for such events.

This thread's really fascinating. The facts are quite straightforward. Russia has invaded a neighbouring country and is in the process of killing it's population in their thousands and levelling towns and cities with indiscriminate siege tactics. Yet, the prime impetus here is to talk about that as though it's something righteous, which should attract sympathy and understanding. The large scale deaths academic. That, whilst continually berating the "criminal" US and diverting to events here there and everywhere.

It's feels like having a comfortable seat in an observation area which looks down on events in a lunatic asylum. Certainly a worthy subject for a degree thesis.

Wait a minute LR, you were the one who diverted from Ukraine-Russia war to Nazi Germany-Britain war-capitulation comment in 1940 in order to save lives, and so I brought up USA-Japan and the mushroom clouds which ended that war to save lives since Japan did not know which of it’s cities were to be next to be exterminated with the next big bomb. Little did Japan know that there was no 3rd bomb in the inventory at that time, but were not willing to take the chance. America justified using the two bombs to end that war so to prevent more deaths. You do agree with that reasoning, no? It really is no different than Russia telling the west, that by the west providing more weapons to Ukraine the war is being prolonged which will cause more deaths....logical no? Would the west accept the same reasoning America used in Japan if Russia were to erase couple of cities in Ukraine with nuclear weapons for Ukraine to capitulate just so to save more future lives just as Japan did? Well?

[Kikapu]

At this Point, in order for the west to stop arming Ukraine, the ONLY thing Russia can do now for that to happen, is to make sure Ukraine not needing anymore weapons from the west, and to achieve that, Russia would need to completely destroy Ukraine with heavy Ariel carpet bombing and missile attacks to turn it into a wasteland without going nuclear. Without this method, the west is not going to stop sending weapons into Ukraine as this is no longer a war between Russia and Ukraine, but has always been a war between Russia and the west. So, all those supporting this war, get your popcorns ready and sit and watch as it unfolds, because this may well be the only option left for Russia now short of making a complete withdrawal from Ukraine and see itself become irrelevant, which it will not allow itself to happen, not after losing 20 million of it’s people in WWII to get to where it is today.

Again, the idea Russia isn't doing everything - at least it thinks it can get away - to win this war, but's somehow holding back (and you better watch out, or else) is risible.

I think "all those supporting this war" surely comes down to GR and Co? Who seem to be enjoying every day of it immensely. No?

Russia lost about 27 million in WW2. Again, I can't see what that has to do with Putin deciding to invade Ukraine.

Has anyone actually read his lengthy essay "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“? After which it would be apparent that NATO and Nazism have absolutely nothing to do with what's transpiring at the moment.

If we are honest, no one has clean hands in the Ukraine-Russia war, and those claiming otherwise are just not being honest. Yes, GR (since you have mentioned him by name) is firmly behind Russia on this war, but there are also others who are behind Ukraine/West/NATO in this war, but claiming the moral high ground as a means of justification for their passive support in the continuation of this war. Some on here are just being observers of the war like myself wished it never started had cooler heads prevailed, but not to be.

From my prospective, for the war to end swiftly if it cannot be achieved at the negotiating table so that more weapons cannot enter Ukraine to cause more deaths and destruction, is for Russia to defeat Ukraine as soon as possible by all means short of going nuclear. Naturally the same rules will apply to Ukraine too if they can defeat Russia to end the war to save lives, but that does not seam to be in the cards at the moment. Without billions of dollars of weapons had not entered Ukraine before the start of the war ans since, this war may have been over already with many lives saved.

Russia lost 20-30 million of it’s people in WWIII because of Nazi Germany and do not wish for their country to be exposed to continued threats from ever expanding NATO on it’s boarders, which sees Russia as an enemy number one. As I’ve said, no one has clean hands in this war as Ukraine is used by the West/NATO to squeeze Russia into confrontation. Well, they now have it. Of course, one cannot see this if they only see things in Black & White, as many things in this war falls into areas of Grey!

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[Pyrpolizer]

Yes they just showed one man. The one who told the Moskva to go F itself.
And then surrendered! Nice! Just admire the Russian nobility/psychic superiority to let him go home in just a few days.

The Ukrainians said the gave the same medal to all 13 on Snake Island.

They also said they fought and lost their lives. Liars, liars, liars. The Russians were the ones who said the truth right from the start.

If there were 132, they would have said so.

Who the repetitive Hohol liars?? The Russians said they were 132. And because I have military experience, unlike you who is just farting, I looked on the island from Google Earth. It had a number of huge hangars about 40X20 meters each, ammunition stores and a command and dormitory center. Typical small camp with ammunition and anti ship artillery. IMPOSSIBLE to be served by less than 100 troops. Go back to the links I gave you and read carefully.

And they may have given medals to all 19 pows that were released.
There is no reference to any others in your videos.

My Father in Law has the RoCs POW and service medal and is given authority to lay wreaths on behalf of all Cypriot POWs in Australia on ANZAC Day, May 1st, March 25th and Ohi Day.

So our family can certainly relate.

irrelevant unless he also surrendered.

[miltiades]

In the meantime people are being killed in this horrid war. Nobody but a man8ac could derive pleasure at th3 continue carnage in Ukraine. So much so for Christian nations, a fucking disgrace to the entire humanity. Apparently a Russian Patriarch has given his blessing to Russian soldiers. Bloody hypocrites.

[Pyrpolizer]

In the meantime people are being killed in this horrid war. Nobody but a man8ac could derive pleasure at th3 continue carnage in Ukraine. So much so for Christian nations, a fucking disgrace to the entire humanity. Apparently a Russian Patriarch has given his blessing to Russian soldiers. Bloody hypocrites.

So should we also become mourners 24/7? Nobody derives pleasure from this war. Even if someone is pro -Russia cannot derive pleasure from the deaths and destruction going on. Russians are getting killed too you know. Russian POW are tortured to death you know, unlike the Ukrainian Kids that the Russians release in a few days to go home to receive medals LOL. Russian speaking Ukrainians were and are still been tortured by Ukrainians just because they can't speak any other language you know...

May I remind you of what you were saying at the beginning? You never said how else other than war this could ever be resolved. So this is WAR you have right now, so you better update your line of thinking and stop this pathetic attitude. You are getting boring.

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.... and a lot more until you decided to change your tune to become politically correct

[Lordo]

In the meantime people are being killed in this horrid war. Nobody but a man8ac could derive pleasure at th3 continue carnage in Ukraine. So much so for Christian nations, a fucking disgrace to the entire humanity. Apparently a Russian Patriarch has given his blessing to Russian soldiers. Bloody hypocrites.

Everybody is so distracted by the war that they just have lost the focus on what this war is about.

Why was it started?

The whole objective is to isolate Russia so nobody buys resources from Russia. SO there is America threatening non-American corporation of sanctions if they continue to trade with Russia. They could not have done this without war hence it is in the America’s interest that the war had to start and she lit the fuse too by getting Ukraine to ask for Nato membership. As you can see the mission is not complete as there are countries who are refusing so Finland and Sweden is about to be thrown in the mix too. Russia will not tolerate either of them joining Nato so she will attack there too if they insist on joining Nato.

In the meantime ,BoZo is going to India to convince them to stop buying Russian gas. So much for Sovereignty. Lets face it till the yanks control every single country the wars will never end.

You can feel the economic power of the yanks compelling the smaller states to do as they are told. Why else would turkeys offer themselves to be christmas lunch?

[miltiades]

My position has not changed one iota. Unlike you and the Pervert I do not support the invasion of Ukraine by Russia and unlike you too I'm not the least religious as I have , for over half a century, consider ALL religions as stone age mythological bullshit. I Never said that Russia was justified in invading Ukraine but that she was concerned with NATO expansion on its borders. You on the other hand and you close mate are over the moon with a prospect of further escalation. I suggest you 're examine your stance and consider the human tragedy happening right now in UKRAINE.