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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:34 pm

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We have more Cruisers than Rusdia does. 5 vs 4


Paphitis wrote:The Russian Black Sea fleet can’t bring anymore reinforcements because Turkey has closed the straits to Russian Military.
What’s there is already there, minus the Moskva which is a fish reef and many more that have sunk as well.


Like the article says there are dozens of Russian ships in the Black sea already.
The Bosporus is closed for ALL military ships including your 5 whatever.
Sometimes I wonder if you are just ignorant or a fool. It looks you are both.


Dream on!

The straits are not closed to Australian Warships and Australian Warships are regular visitors to ANZAC Cove. There will be Australian Warships in the straits right NOW! Preparing for ANZAC Day.

And irt would be at least one Capital Ship as well like the HMAS Adelaide, Brisbane, Hobert, Canberra or Sydney.

No way in hell would Turkey close the straits to Australian Navy.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:44 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Russia warns U.S. to stop arming Ukraine."


Meanwhile, the west continues to send weapons to Ukraine as they should. .


At this Point, in order for the west to stop arming Ukraine, the ONLY thing Russia can do now for that to happen, is to make sure Ukraine not needing anymore weapons from the west, and to achieve that, Russia would need to completely destroy Ukraine with heavy Ariel carpet bombing and missile attacks to turn it into a wasteland without going nuclear. Without this method, the west is not going to stop sending weapons into Ukraine as this is no longer a war between Russia and Ukraine, but has always been a war between Russia and the west. So, all those supporting this war, get your popcorns ready and sit and watch as it unfolds, because this may well be the only option left for Russia now short of making a complete withdrawal from Ukraine and see itself become irrelevant, which it will not allow itself to happen, not after losing 20 million of it’s people in WWII to get to where it is today.


That will not achieve that.

It will only result in more armaments for Ukraine, because the west will never allow such an abomination and such a war crime to pass without punishing Russia.

And ounisg=h Russia they will, economically, and ensuring the Russians are in a long war of attrition in Ukraine till they eventually lose and losing the war, they are.

Russia doesn;t have the capacity anymofre, and do not even control the airspace fully. So much so, Ukrainians are even conducting bombing raids inside of Russia.

So no matter how you look at it, it isn'l looking good for Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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We have more Cruisers than Rusdia does. 5 vs 4


Paphitis wrote:The Russian Black Sea fleet can’t bring anymore reinforcements because Turkey has closed the straits to Russian Military.
What’s there is already there, minus the Moskva which is a fish reef and many more that have sunk as well.


Like the article says there are dozens of Russian ships in the Black sea already.
The Bosporus is closed for ALL military ships including your 5 whatever.
Sometimes I wonder if you are just ignorant or a fool. It looks you are both.


Dream on!

The straits are not closed to Australian Warships and Australian Warships are regular visitors to ANZAC Cove. There will be Australian Warships in the straits right NOW! Preparing for ANZAC Day.

And irt would be at least one Capital Ship as well like the HMAS Adelaide, Brisbane, Hobert, Canberra or Sydney.

No way in hell would Turkey close the straits to Australian Navy.


Whatever you say General.
Read and weep. That's a Holy Rosy Australia web site:
https://navalinstitute.com.au/turkey-cl ... -warships/

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:Paphitis, I guess you just can’t help being thick... but of course you and I don’t really matter for we are mere citizens, but Biden is at least as thick as you and that *does* matter!

Open two graves! :)


There is only one grave pit we see, and that has Russia written all over it.

Biden, and the US is just pressing ahead with normal life. Economy is on the up and Americans are on the move now. America is looking forward to the post COVID era now.

Russia on the other hand, is sanctioned.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:49 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Russia warns U.S. to stop arming Ukraine

The formal diplomatic note from Moscow, a copy of which was reviewed by The Washington Post, came as President Biden approved a dramatic expansion in the scope of weapons being provided to the government in Kyiv


Russia this week sent a formal diplomatic note to the United States warning that U.S. and NATO shipments of the "most sensitive" weapons systems to Ukraine were "adding fuel" to the conflict there and could bring "unpredictable consequences."


The diplomatic démarche, a copy of which was reviewed by The Washington Post, came as President Biden approved a dramatic expansion in the scope of weapons being provided to Ukraine, an $800 million package including 155 mm howitzers — a serious upgrade in long-range artillery to match Russian systems — coastal defense drones and armored vehicles, as well as additional portable antiaircraft and antitank weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition.

Pentagon will bolster military aid, weapons training for Ukrainians

The United States has also facilitated the shipment to Ukraine of long-range air defense systems, including Slovakia’s shipment of Russian-manufactured Soviet-era S-300 launchers on which Ukrainian forces have already been trained. In exchange, the administration announced last week, the United States is deploying a Patriot missile system to Slovakia and consulting with Slovakia on a long-term replacement.


Shipment of the weapons, the first wave of which U.S. officials said would arrive in Ukraine within days, follows an urgent appeal to Biden from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as Russian forces were said to be mobilizing for a major assault on eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region and along the coastal strip connecting it with Russian-occupied Crimea in the south. Russian troops have largely withdrawn from much of the northern part of the country, including around the capital, Kyiv, following humiliating defeats by the Ukrainian military and local resistance forces.

"What the Russians are telling us privately is precisely what we’ve been telling the world publicly — that the massive amount of assistance that we’ve been providing our Ukrainian partners is proving extraordinarily effective," said a senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive diplomatic document.

The State Department declined to comment on the contents of the two-page diplomatic note or any U.S. response.

Biden approves additional $800 million in security assistance for Ukraine
President Biden said he told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on April 13 that he is authorizing $800 million more in security assistance. (Video: Reuters, Photo: Reuters)
Russia experts suggested that Moscow, which has labeled weapons convoys coming into the country as legitimate military targets but has not thus far attacked them, may be preparing to do so.


"They have targeted supply depots in Ukraine itself, where some of these supplies have been stored," said George Beebe, former director of Russia analysis at the CIA and Russia adviser to former vice president Dick Cheney. "The real question is do they go beyond attempting to target [the weapons] on Ukrainian territory, try to hit the supply convoys themselves and perhaps the NATO countries on the Ukrainian periphery" that serve as transfer points for the U.S. supplies.

If Russian forces stumble in the next phase of the war as they did in the first, "then I think the chances that Russia targets NATO supplies on NATO territory go up considerably," Beebe said. "There has been an assumption on the part of a lot of us in the West that we could supply the Ukrainians really without limits and not bear significant risk of retaliation from Russia," he said. "I think the Russians want to send a message here that that’s not true."



The diplomatic note was dated Tuesday, as word first leaked of the new arms package that brought the total amount of U.S. military aid provided to Ukraine since the Feb. 24 invasion to $3.2 billion, according to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby. In a public announcement Wednesday, Biden said it would include "new capabilities tailored to the wider assault we expect Russia to launch in eastern Ukraine."


The document, titled "On Russia’s concerns in the context of massive supplies of weapons and military equipment to the Kiev regime," written in Russian with a translation provided, was forwarded to the State Department by the Russian Embassy in Washington.

The Russian Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

Among the items Russia identified as "most sensitive" were "multiple launch rocket systems," although the United States and its NATO allies are not believed to have supplied those weapons to Ukraine. Russia accused the allies of violating "rigorous principles" governing the transfer of weapons to conflict zones, and of being oblivious to "the threat of high-precision weapons falling into the hands of radical nationalists, extremists and bandit forces in Ukraine."

It accused NATO of trying to pressure Ukraine to "abandon" sputtering, and so far unsuccessful, negotiations with Russia "in order to continue the bloodshed." Washington, it said, was pressuring other countries to stop any military and technical cooperation with Russia, and those with Soviet-era weapons to transfer them to Ukraine.


"We call on the United States and its allies to stop the irresponsible militarization of Ukraine, which implies unpredictable consequences for regional and international security," the note said.

Putin says peace talks with Ukraine are at an ‘impasse’

Andrew Weiss, a former National Security Council director for Russian, Ukrainian and Eurasian affairs, and now vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, recalled that Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a speech on the February morning that the invasion began, warned that Western nations would face "consequences greater than any you have faced in history" if they became involved in the conflict.

Attention at the time focused on Putin’s reminder that Russia possesses a powerful nuclear arsenal, Weiss said, but it was also "a very explicit warning about not sending weapons into a conflict zone." Having drawn a red line, he asked, are the Russians "now inclined to back that up?"


Such an attack would be "a very important escalatory move, first and foremost because it represents a threat to the West if they aren’t able to keep supplies flowing into Ukraine, which by extension might diminish Ukraine’s capacity for self-defense." That risk "shouldn’t be downplayed," he said, noting the added risk that an attempt to strike a convoy inside Ukraine could go awry over the border into NATO territory.

Senior U.S. defense officials remain concerned about the possibility of such attacks. "We don’t take any movement of weapons and systems going into Ukraine for granted," Kirby said Thursday. "Not on any given day."

Kirby said Ukrainian troops bring the weapons into Ukraine after the United States brings them into the region, and "the less we say about that, the better."


Meanwhile, the west continues to send weapons to Ukraine as they should.

No one is taking Pootin seriously. His bark is worse than his non existent bite.

There is nothing he can do without risking Nuclear War.

The world has an obligation to Ukraine and it will fulfil those obligations.

Go tell Pootin to go “fuck himself” as the 16 Ukrainian heroes told the now destroyed Moskva.



You are once again demonstrating your ignorance. It wasn't 8 it wasn't 16 it was 132. They ALL SURRENDERED. Follow the news and stop dreaming.

On the main issue: So far Russia did not attack military shipments to Ukraine outside of Ukraine.
You should try to understand diplomatic language. Russia repeatedly said it considers such military aid a legitimate target. This doesn't mean it becomes a legitimate target only within the territory of Ukraine! Do you understand what a diplomatic ultimatum note is? Do you understand the meaning of " unpredictable consequences for regional and international security"?

No! Because you are worse than the Hohols. All parades and fanfare.


It was 16 alright.

Only yesterday, these 16 heroes received their medals from Zalensky.

Stop listening to propaganda. Why on earth would there be 132 on Snake Island.

Seciondly, use your brain. The initial story, Ukraine claimed that all 16 were murdered by the Russians. If there were 132, they would have said so because that makes the Russians sound even worse than they already do.

It's Russia which claims there were 132, just like they claim they have destroyed 2300 Ukrainian Tanks, which is more than the Ukrainians actually have.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed....
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:50 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Sweden and Finland have just applied to join NATO. :lol:

What a disaster to Pootin given the fact he claims the Ukraine war started to prevent NATO expansion.

It seems it has had the opposite effect.

Poor Pootin. :cry:


Where? When?

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It's inevitable now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... -join-nato

Alexander Stubb, a former prime minister of Finland, told AFP it was “a foregone conclusion” that Helsinki would apply to join Nato, probably in time for a June Nato summit in Madrid.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:55 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Ukraine security service's 'small guantanamo'

https://rumble.com/v1174md-report-revea ... anamo.html


Awesome.

Good for Ukraine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:58 pm

Ukraine should only keep enough prisoners alive in order to exchange for their own with Russia.

The rest, go to the wall in front of firing squads.

That is the reality of war.

There is onky a Geneva Convention when someone is looking, or its practical.

Every Russian Family should know, that if their son is captured, he won't be going home.

Get Real and Pyro can jump up and down all they like.

What the Australians use to do after executing Taliban is to rrange the bodies nicely and put handguns in their hands, to take a few photos to prove they died in combat.

When a Ukrainian Unit of 20 soldiers captured a Russian Tank, and killed 4 Russians, having their hands tied is a no no. They should be holding guns.

Ukrainian soldiers have better things to do than baby sit 4 captured Russians.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:01 pm

Kikapu wrote:It is very relevant actually. Didn't you state that Russia will eventually be victorious in Ukraine? That being the case, why must more people die first until then? Japan surroundered and then prospered. Same would have happened if Tokyo was next on the list, only more dead, no? Japan was not without weapons at the time to challenge their enemy. They were just out gunned!


I think I said I still thought Russia would ultimately win in Ukraine. The numbers speak for themselves (I could be wrong of course :) ). Although, if I didn't then I now qualify that by saying it depends on your interpretation of "win".

Putin is now clearly in a situation where he's forced to escalate until he can claim some sort of face-saving victory to the Russian people.The man understands - like all dictators - that a comfortable retirement isn't part of his horoscope.

Again, the relentless posting of threads to divert from the Ukraine to events in US history. Why don't those concerned just raise a relevant thread? Instead of continually trying to make every post an anti-US ranting session? It's Russia that's invaded Ukraine FFS.

Tokyo wasn't "next on the list". It was being bombed nightly. Not the token Doolittle effort but the relentless - virtually unopposed - B29 mass raids. Those alone destroying about two thirds of the city and on one single night resulting in 80,000 Japanese deaths. Tokyo homes were made out of wood and paper and their militaristic dominated government's hubris had made no preparations for such events.

This thread's really fascinating. The facts are quite straightforward. Russia has invaded a neighbouring country and is in the process of killing it's population in their thousands and levelling towns and cities with indiscriminate siege tactics. Yet, the prime impetus here is to talk about that as though it's something righteous, which should attract sympathy and understanding. The large scale deaths academic. That, whilst continually berating the "criminal" US and diverting to events here there and everywhere.

It's feels like having a comfortable seat in an observation area which looks down on events in a lunatic asylum. Certainly a worthy subject for a degree thesis.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:09 pm

Paphitis wrote:
It was 16 alright.

Only yesterday, these 16 heroes received their medals from Zalensky.

Stop listening to propaganda. Why on earth would there be 132 on Snake Island.

Seciondly, use your brain. The initial story, Ukraine claimed that all 16 were murdered by the Russians. If there were 132, they would have said so because that makes the Russians sound even worse than they already do.

It's Russia which claims there were 132, just like they claim they have destroyed 2300 Ukrainian Tanks, which is more than the Ukrainians actually have.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed....


Oh I see. Ukrainian propaganda at it's best.
They once say 8 then 13 another time 15 and your feed was for 16.
https://www.thewrap.com/go-fuck-yoursel ... -tributes/
So why should they not be that number?
Because of this:
cyprus47975-2350.html?hilit=snake%20island#p917208
Of which you have no clue because you have no military experience and you are only good for watching parades

Btw I am not in the mood of going back in circles.
If you want to discuss something first make sure you READ AND FOLLOW the discussion, and port your POV in time.
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