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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:24 am

Paphitis wrote:
We have more Cruisers than Rusdia does. 5 vs 4


Paphitis wrote:The Russian Black Sea fleet can’t bring anymore reinforcements because Turkey has closed the straits to Russian Military.
What’s there is already there, minus the Moskva which is a fish reef and many more that have sunk as well.


Like the article says there are dozens of Russian ships in the Black sea already.
The Bosporus is closed for ALL military ships including your 5 whatever.
Sometimes I wonder if you are just ignorant or a fool. It looks you are both.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Russia warns U.S. to stop arming Ukraine

The formal diplomatic note from Moscow, a copy of which was reviewed by The Washington Post, came as President Biden approved a dramatic expansion in the scope of weapons being provided to the government in Kyiv


Russia this week sent a formal diplomatic note to the United States warning that U.S. and NATO shipments of the "most sensitive" weapons systems to Ukraine were "adding fuel" to the conflict there and could bring "unpredictable consequences."


The diplomatic démarche, a copy of which was reviewed by The Washington Post, came as President Biden approved a dramatic expansion in the scope of weapons being provided to Ukraine, an $800 million package including 155 mm howitzers — a serious upgrade in long-range artillery to match Russian systems — coastal defense drones and armored vehicles, as well as additional portable antiaircraft and antitank weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition.

Pentagon will bolster military aid, weapons training for Ukrainians

The United States has also facilitated the shipment to Ukraine of long-range air defense systems, including Slovakia’s shipment of Russian-manufactured Soviet-era S-300 launchers on which Ukrainian forces have already been trained. In exchange, the administration announced last week, the United States is deploying a Patriot missile system to Slovakia and consulting with Slovakia on a long-term replacement.


Shipment of the weapons, the first wave of which U.S. officials said would arrive in Ukraine within days, follows an urgent appeal to Biden from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as Russian forces were said to be mobilizing for a major assault on eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region and along the coastal strip connecting it with Russian-occupied Crimea in the south. Russian troops have largely withdrawn from much of the northern part of the country, including around the capital, Kyiv, following humiliating defeats by the Ukrainian military and local resistance forces.

"What the Russians are telling us privately is precisely what we’ve been telling the world publicly — that the massive amount of assistance that we’ve been providing our Ukrainian partners is proving extraordinarily effective," said a senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive diplomatic document.

The State Department declined to comment on the contents of the two-page diplomatic note or any U.S. response.

Biden approves additional $800 million in security assistance for Ukraine
President Biden said he told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on April 13 that he is authorizing $800 million more in security assistance. (Video: Reuters, Photo: Reuters)
Russia experts suggested that Moscow, which has labeled weapons convoys coming into the country as legitimate military targets but has not thus far attacked them, may be preparing to do so.


"They have targeted supply depots in Ukraine itself, where some of these supplies have been stored," said George Beebe, former director of Russia analysis at the CIA and Russia adviser to former vice president Dick Cheney. "The real question is do they go beyond attempting to target [the weapons] on Ukrainian territory, try to hit the supply convoys themselves and perhaps the NATO countries on the Ukrainian periphery" that serve as transfer points for the U.S. supplies.

If Russian forces stumble in the next phase of the war as they did in the first, "then I think the chances that Russia targets NATO supplies on NATO territory go up considerably," Beebe said. "There has been an assumption on the part of a lot of us in the West that we could supply the Ukrainians really without limits and not bear significant risk of retaliation from Russia," he said. "I think the Russians want to send a message here that that’s not true."



The diplomatic note was dated Tuesday, as word first leaked of the new arms package that brought the total amount of U.S. military aid provided to Ukraine since the Feb. 24 invasion to $3.2 billion, according to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby. In a public announcement Wednesday, Biden said it would include "new capabilities tailored to the wider assault we expect Russia to launch in eastern Ukraine."


The document, titled "On Russia’s concerns in the context of massive supplies of weapons and military equipment to the Kiev regime," written in Russian with a translation provided, was forwarded to the State Department by the Russian Embassy in Washington.

The Russian Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

Among the items Russia identified as "most sensitive" were "multiple launch rocket systems," although the United States and its NATO allies are not believed to have supplied those weapons to Ukraine. Russia accused the allies of violating "rigorous principles" governing the transfer of weapons to conflict zones, and of being oblivious to "the threat of high-precision weapons falling into the hands of radical nationalists, extremists and bandit forces in Ukraine."

It accused NATO of trying to pressure Ukraine to "abandon" sputtering, and so far unsuccessful, negotiations with Russia "in order to continue the bloodshed." Washington, it said, was pressuring other countries to stop any military and technical cooperation with Russia, and those with Soviet-era weapons to transfer them to Ukraine.


"We call on the United States and its allies to stop the irresponsible militarization of Ukraine, which implies unpredictable consequences for regional and international security," the note said.

Putin says peace talks with Ukraine are at an ‘impasse’

Andrew Weiss, a former National Security Council director for Russian, Ukrainian and Eurasian affairs, and now vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, recalled that Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a speech on the February morning that the invasion began, warned that Western nations would face "consequences greater than any you have faced in history" if they became involved in the conflict.

Attention at the time focused on Putin’s reminder that Russia possesses a powerful nuclear arsenal, Weiss said, but it was also "a very explicit warning about not sending weapons into a conflict zone." Having drawn a red line, he asked, are the Russians "now inclined to back that up?"


Such an attack would be "a very important escalatory move, first and foremost because it represents a threat to the West if they aren’t able to keep supplies flowing into Ukraine, which by extension might diminish Ukraine’s capacity for self-defense." That risk "shouldn’t be downplayed," he said, noting the added risk that an attempt to strike a convoy inside Ukraine could go awry over the border into NATO territory.

Senior U.S. defense officials remain concerned about the possibility of such attacks. "We don’t take any movement of weapons and systems going into Ukraine for granted," Kirby said Thursday. "Not on any given day."

Kirby said Ukrainian troops bring the weapons into Ukraine after the United States brings them into the region, and "the less we say about that, the better."


Meanwhile, the west continues to send weapons to Ukraine as they should.

No one is taking Pootin seriously. His bark is worse than his non existent bite.

There is nothing he can do without risking Nuclear War.

The world has an obligation to Ukraine and it will fulfil those obligations.

Go tell Pootin to go “fuck himself” as the 16 Ukrainian heroes told the now destroyed Moskva.



You are once again demonstrating your ignorance. It wasn't 8 it wasn't 16 it was 132. They ALL SURRENDERED. Follow the news and stop dreaming.

On the main issue: So far Russia did not attack military shipments to Ukraine outside of Ukraine.
You should try to understand diplomatic language. Russia repeatedly said it considers such military aid a legitimate target. This doesn't mean it becomes a legitimate target only within the territory of Ukraine! Do you understand what a diplomatic ultimatum note is? Do you understand the meaning of " unpredictable consequences for regional and international security"?

No! Because you are worse than the Hohols. All parades and fanfare.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:08 pm

Paphitis wrote:Sweden and Finland have just applied to join NATO. :lol:

What a disaster to Pootin given the fact he claims the Ukraine war started to prevent NATO expansion.

It seems it has had the opposite effect.

Poor Pootin. :cry:


Where? When?

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:51 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Russia warns U.S. to stop arming Ukraine."


Meanwhile, the west continues to send weapons to Ukraine as they should. .


At this Point, in order for the west to stop arming Ukraine, the ONLY thing Russia can do now for that to happen, is to make sure Ukraine not needing anymore weapons from the west, and to achieve that, Russia would need to completely destroy Ukraine with heavy Ariel carpet bombing and missile attacks to turn it into a wasteland without going nuclear. Without this method, the west is not going to stop sending weapons into Ukraine as this is no longer a war between Russia and Ukraine, but has always been a war between Russia and the west. So, all those supporting this war, get your popcorns ready and sit and watch as it unfolds, because this may well be the only option left for Russia now short of making a complete withdrawal from Ukraine and see itself become irrelevant, which it will not allow itself to happen, not after losing 20 million of it’s people in WWII to get to where it is today.


The border line between Ukraine, Poland Slovakia Hungary and Romania is about 850 Km. Most of the military aid crosses from Poland whose borderline is only 350Km. What the West currently do is that they move that military equipment at night, so whatever satellite tracking the Russians do during daylight /clear sky days, gets lost at night. And of course they move it in small parts using paths, not real roads. All the Russians have to do is just station two guards every 500m with night vision binoculars to observe those paths. It's very easy to do it using just about 3000 conscripts as watchdogs. It looks Russia has left the west side of Ukraine totally uncontrolled. I don't see roadblocks at every road in the west, I don't see any checks on trains and buses that move as if nothing happens, I don't see any military control of every single airfield. If that's the case it's obvious to me the Russians are doing very basic tactical errors. How on earth could those S-300 launchers from Slovakia ever made it to their destination is beyond me.

In a nutshell it looks like a lot of Western military aid makes it to destination in Ukraine, and this made Russia send that diplomatic ultimatum through it's ambassador at Washington.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:46 pm

This song was written for Turkey about joining Nato. It applies to Ukraine too and the situation she finds herself in. It also applies to Cyprus too.

insan vatanını satar mı
suyunu içtiğin, ekmeğini yediğin
dünyada vatandan aziz şey var mı
beyler, bu vatana nasıl kıydınız

eli kolu zincirlere bağlanmış
vatan çırılçıplak yere serilmiş
oturmuş göğsüne teksaslı çavuş
beyler bu vatana nasıl kıydınız

günü gelir çark düzüne çevrilir
günü gelir hesabınız görülür
günü gelir sualiniz sorulur
beyler, bu vatana nasıl kıydınız

söz: nazım hikmet

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:48 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Russia warns U.S. to stop arming Ukraine."


Meanwhile, the west continues to send weapons to Ukraine as they should. .


At this Point, in order for the west to stop arming Ukraine, the ONLY thing Russia can do now for that to happen, is to make sure Ukraine not needing anymore weapons from the west, and to achieve that, Russia would need to completely destroy Ukraine with heavy Ariel carpet bombing and missile attacks to turn it into a wasteland without going nuclear. Without this method, the west is not going to stop sending weapons into Ukraine as this is no longer a war between Russia and Ukraine, but has always been a war between Russia and the west. So, all those supporting this war, get your popcorns ready and sit and watch as it unfolds, because this may well be the only option left for Russia now short of making a complete withdrawal from Ukraine and see itself become irrelevant, which it will not allow itself to happen, not after losing 20 million of it’s people in WWII to get to where it is today.


The border line between Ukraine, Poland Slovakia Hungary and Romania is about 850 Km. Most of the military aid crosses from Poland whose borderline is only 350Km. What the West currently do is that they move that military equipment at night, so whatever satellite tracking the Russians do during daylight /clear sky days, gets lost at night. And of course they move it in small parts using paths, not real roads. All the Russians have to do is just station two guards every 500m with night vision binoculars to observe those paths. It's very easy to do it using just about 3000 conscripts as watchdogs. It looks Russia has left the west side of Ukraine totally uncontrolled. I don't see roadblocks at every road in the west, I don't see any checks on trains and buses that move as if nothing happens, I don't see any military control of every single airfield. If that's the case it's obvious to me the Russians are doing very basic tactical errors. How on earth could those S-300 launchers from Slovakia ever made it to their destination is beyond me.

In a nutshell it looks like a lot of Western military aid makes it to destination in Ukraine, and this made Russia send that diplomatic ultimatum through it's ambassador at Washington.

The west can send all the weapons she likes, it will not change the end result, it will just prolong it and the price will be paid by the Ukraininas and Russian soldiers too.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:57 pm

miltiades wrote:SouthFront (sometimes written South Front) is a multilingual website registered in Russia that "combines Kremlin talking points with detailed knowledge of military systems and ongoing conflicts... [and] attempts to appeal to military enthusiasts, veterans, and conspiracy theorists."[1] According to the European Union's EU vs Disinfo, SouthFront publishes news focused on "security issues, foreign policy, military analysis and reports on military hardware" while "loyally relaying whatever suits the Kremlin."[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history
The first wiki article only had references for it's involvement in US presidential elections.
Then from 8 March to 22 March 2022 it got 36 revisions from the exact same person.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:42 pm

Ukraine security service's 'small guantanamo'

https://rumble.com/v1174md-report-revea ... anamo.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:46 pm

Lordo wrote:The west can send all the weapons she likes, it will not change the end result, it will just prolong it and the price will be paid by the Ukraininas and Russian soldiers too.


Absolutely. If Britain had capitulated to Nazi Germany in June 1940 so many lives could have been saved.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:13 pm

The country that had been invaded is Ukraine NOT Russia.
There is NOT any credible reason why this should happen. Thousands from both sides killed, children left orphans, how on earth can anyone justify this barbaric invasion. Let's excuse the Turkish invasion then of our Cyprus.
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