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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:07 am

prove it. start with this one.

Russia is on a journey of expansionism. Well that was the plan. it had nothing at all to do with NATO. That was just the excuse used
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:12 am

unplug yourself from the matrix Paphitis,
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:15 am

Maximus wrote:prove it. start with this one.

Russia is on a journey of expansionism. Well that was the plan. it had nothing at all to do with NATO. That was just the excuse used


That's the easiets to prove.

NATO has as its objective the defence of Europe or its members against any act of aggression from a foreign player whoever that player is.

It's postering is one of defence. in other words, NATO will not attack or attampt to invade another party (like Russia) but defend itself against a possible Russian attack or onvasion. These are the principles upon which NATO was founded in 1949 and during its history they have remained true to all their articles and have never mobilized against another agressor because they never needed to.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/of ... _17120.htm
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:16 am

Maximus wrote:unplug yourself from the matrix Paphitis,


You should be patient because I can prove EVERY single point I made.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:20 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:prove it. start with this one.

Russia is on a journey of expansionism. Well that was the plan. it had nothing at all to do with NATO. That was just the excuse used


That's the easiets to prove.

NATO has as its objective the defence of Europe or its members against any act of aggression from a foreign player whoever that player is.

It's postering is one of defence. in other words, NATO will not attack or attampt to invade another party (like Russia) but defend itself against a possible Russian attack or onvasion. These are the principles upon which NATO was founded in 1949 and during its history they have remained true to all their articles and have never mobilized against another agressor because they never needed to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwUmbOTjPU


This is just not true,

NATO countries have worked together and invaded many countries since its inception. You even have NATO members occupying other countries illegally and Turkey has committed many acts of aggression against the EU and its member states. its a hypocritical farce. As aggressors, they invade as a willing coalition, outside of the structure of NATO but it is actually NATO. :roll:

You havent proved that Russia is on a journey of expansionism. What was the plan?

Its easy to prove that NATO is on a journey of expansionism. Its clear what countries have joined and the number of military bases the US lead NATO alliance has set up over the decades.

To say that the Russian invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO is just not true, because it has everything to do with NATO expansionism.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:38 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:prove it. start with this one.

Russia is on a journey of expansionism. Well that was the plan. it had nothing at all to do with NATO. That was just the excuse used


That's the easiets to prove.

NATO has as its objective the defence of Europe or its members against any act of aggression from a foreign player whoever that player is.

It's postering is one of defence. in other words, NATO will not attack or attampt to invade another party (like Russia) but defend itself against a possible Russian attack or onvasion. These are the principles upon which NATO was founded in 1949 and during its history they have remained true to all their articles and have never mobilized against another agressor because they never needed to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwUmbOTjPU


This is just not true,

NATO countries have worked together and invaded many countries since its inception. You even have NATO members occupying other countries illegally and Turkey has committed many acts of aggression against the EU and its member states. its a hypocritical farce. As aggressors, they invade as a willing coalition, outside of the structure of NATO but it is actually NATO. :roll:

You havent proved that Russia is on a journey of expansionism. What was the plan?

Its easy to prove that NATO is on a journey of expansionism. Its clear what countries have joined and the number of military bases the US lead NATO alliance has set up over the decades.

To say that the Russian invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO is just not true, because it has everything to do with NATO expansionism.


No they haven't Maximus.

NATO has never invaded other countries.

You are talking about Coalition Forces acting independenntly or collectively as a coalition, such as in Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan etc and they were not invasions to cede territory. Coalition forces have never ceded territory or even intended to cede territory from another country.

The only 2 examples where this has occured is Turkey, and Russia up until now.

The Russian Invasion doesn't have anything to do with NATO because NATO has no objective at all, to attack Russia or invade and occupy Russia. And as a matter of fact, Russia has had plenty of opportunity to even join NATO. The invites were there under Obama. And they probably still to this day have an opportunity.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:41 am

These were invasions by NATO member countries Paphitis and Britain ceded the base areas from Cyprus which is basically a NATO military base.

How many military bases has the US ceded from other countries? :roll:

So what are the Ukrainians actually destroying their country for and getting indebted for, is it to join NATO? what a cause.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:42 am

Maximus wrote:These were invasions by NATO member countries Paphitis and Britain ceded the base areas from Cyprus which is basically a NATO military base.

So what are the Ukrainians actually destroying their country for and getting indebted for, is it to join NATO? what a cause.


You signed the 1960 Treaty of Establishment Maximus.

That's not an invasion... :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:44 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:These were invasions by NATO member countries Paphitis and Britain ceded the base areas from Cyprus which is basically a NATO military base.

So what are the Ukrainians actually destroying their country for and getting indebted for, is it to join NATO? what a cause.


You signed the 1960 Treaty of Establishment Maximus.

That's not an invasion... :roll:


I didnt sign it but Cyprus was obviously invaded and occupied before then wasnt it?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:44 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:These were invasions by NATO member countries Paphitis and Britain ceded the base areas from Cyprus which is basically a NATO military base.

So what are the Ukrainians actually destroying their country for and getting indebted for, is it to join NATO? what a cause.


You signed the 1960 Treaty of Establishment Maximus.

That's not an invasion... :roll:


I didnt sign it but Cyprus was obviously invaded and occupied before then wasnt it?


Of course you didn't but why would your signature matter?

Makarios signed it.
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