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[Londonrake]

It looks like the Ukrainians are ready to talk with the Russians about keeping the countries status neutral and not seek to join NATO.

And it won't make any difference.

NATO was just the excuse. The real reason is expansionism and re-creating the former USSR.

Is it?

So how come we only go and "liberate" Arabs?

Not meant as a provocative question but - in the context of the OP and ongoing events in Ukraine - what do you mean?

[Maximus]

It looks like the Ukrainians are ready to talk with the Russians about keeping the countries status neutral and not seek to join NATO.

And it won't make any difference.

NATO was just the excuse. The real reason is expansionism and re-creating the former USSR.

Is it?

So how come we only go and "liberate" Arabs?

Not meant as a provocative question but - in the context of the OP and ongoing events in Ukraine - what do you mean?

I mean, why arent we (the west) going to liberate them from Russian expansionism? Is it because Ukraine is too close to home and they aren't Arabs?

[Londonrake]

It looks like the Ukrainians are ready to talk with the Russians about keeping the countries status neutral and not seek to join NATO.

And it won't make any difference.

NATO was just the excuse. The real reason is expansionism and re-creating the former USSR.

Is it?

So how come we only go and "liberate" Arabs?

Not meant as a provocative question but - in the context of the OP and ongoing events in Ukraine - what do you mean?

I mean, why arent we (the west) going to liberate them from USSR expansionism? is it because Ukraine isnt far enough away and they aren't Arabs?

My fault I'm sure but - nope - don't get you.

Is it....................................... https://www.lexico.com/definition/whataboutism

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[Maximus]

No its a geniune questioned asked to Paphitis,

if you cant answer it, then leave it.

he is talking about fighting and defending smaller states against agression from bigger states.

Its very principled stance and I agree with his sentiments

So why arent we going to defend Ukraine? we went and liberated many arabs in the middle east from dictators.

But this is happening in the heart of Europe, from Russian expansionism.

[Londonrake]

No its a geniune questioned asked to Paphitis,

if you cant answer it, then leave it.

he is talking about fighting and defending smaller states against agression from bigger states.

Its very principles and I agree with his sentiments

So why arent we going to defend Ukraine? we went and liberated many arabs in the middles east against dictators.

But this is happening in the heart of Europe.

No. It just seemed a bit vague for an oldie like me.

I'm not a history buff but I thought that our Arab liberating days were Ottoman empire, Lawrence of Arabia stuff. Sorry Lordo . I think we did our share of liberating in 1939 - 45 though. My Dad was there on the longest day! Not that you would ever know it, from Mr Macron's efforts nowadays

I don't think there was ever any intention - nor was it a realistic scenario - that the West would or could defend Ukraine. In fact - good ole Sleepy Joe more or less invited the Russians to invade. As long as it was only a small one apparently.

Is Ukraine in the "heart of Europe". Looks pretty much on the wing to me. Interesting though to read just how much in the way of natural resources they have. Not just being the bread-basket of Europe but also things like Oil/Coal/Uranium. Much of it in the areas taken or under attack actually. That's probably just my natural cynicism though.

Anyway, nice to "talk" to you. I follow all the posts in here and admire your stoicism. I would have given up the loo brush ages ago.

[repulsewarrior]

...i will toss this into the conversation.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia- ... or-2786827

...for the record, if you will.

[Lordo]

So we know one of the reasons is Nato membership. Is there any other? Did Ukraine threaten to close Nord Stream 1 pipline recently?

[Londonrake]

So we know one of the reasons is Nato membership. Is there any other? Did Ukraine threaten to close Nord Stream 1 pipline recently?

'ello mate.

I've been active on this issue - first for a very long time - clearly because of it's major ramifications.

My understanding is that - certainly from a domestic consumption Russian media point-of-view - there was supposedly an imminent threat that Ukraine would attack Russia. Ipso facto, it was a pre-emptive invasion.

I have to say - and I am not really surprised - that as many Ukrainians are dying, with their capital city it seems under sustained attack by air, rocket/artillery and armour, the almost football supporter jubilation and in essence gloating at their fate by some in here reaches a new low on this - famous for it's lows - forum. I would add I think some should be ashamed of themselves. But that of course is an elusive emotion on CF. Where apparently millions of Americans dying in a nuclear holocaust would be a "cause for celebration like the world has never seen before".

[repulsewarrior]

...keeping informed is important. CF actually, provides this service; there are a wide array of sources and intentions to consider. Free speech: it happens and welcome; if it were not allowed what does that mean?



Worth watching, considering the wider ramifications of this war. (Two Historians, Americans, in effect speaking maritime trade.) It is all about oil (and food).

...i don't like CF but, i love CF!

[Get Real!]

I return some hours later and to my dismay the illegitimate government of the Ukraine is still dancing around in some bunker in the heart of Kiev, or so they pretend/say they are.

I was hoping for a swift and decisive ending today so that this criminal government be dragged into a tribunal, judged and executed… but they unfortunately want to play hardball (no doubt at the advice of the West) so as to cause a maximum number of victims and destruction in the Ukraine so as to then point the finger at the great man Putin and say… “There’s the bad guy!”

The diabolical blood-thirsty West knows no bounds and is no doubt pulling the strings from afar via a communication with the criminal Ukrainian regime, with BIG promises that they will make it and that help is on the way, etc!

But the truth of the matter is that Russia cannot and will not allow these clowns to survive… even if they have to nuke them out.

The world knows that very well, yet they’re still giving the Ukrainians false hope that serves nothing but the prolongation and suffering of innocent Ukrainians.