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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:34 pm

Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Get Real! wrote:So no comments today about the US’ “Turkish 3+1” to replace the East-Med pipeline?

What is it?

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ak ... x_tr_hl=en


The ideal scenario all along was to use the gas as a mechanism to resolve long standing differences and turn it in to a resource for cooperation, and prosperity among neighbors.

The ideal scenario would be to resolve the CY issue and use Turkey as a transit country with Turkey fully respecting CY sovereign integrity and CY EEZ. To end the occupation, she can earn some transit fees, get access to gas for domestic consumption and reduce her energy bill and we all move towards normalizing relations.

At the end of the day, the Israelis are talking with the Turks about exporting their gas there.

Only time will tell how this plays out but i expect a heavy dose of hypocrisy from the US and the EU.

Vre Max, when did a royalty-paying partnership with Turkey become an “ideal scenario” and I missed it? :)

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:43 pm

Turkey doesnt have any other role in this scenario other than being a transit and consumption country that earns a fee and pays for what she consumes.

the quicker she wakes up to that, the better for everyone.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:53 pm

Maximus wrote:Turkey doesnt have any other role in this scenario other than being a transit and consumption country that earns a fee and pays for what she consumes.

the quicker she wakes up to that, the better for everyone.

It’s fascinating how quickly you accepted and adopted exactly what Erdo was telling us from the onset, when gas was first discovered!

I also note that you haven’t noticed that a “3+1” would involve almost the same length of pipelines being laid, yet fell for the East-Med not being viable due to distance, trick!

If you’re going to re-route Greece’s gas all the way back to Cyprus just so it can form into one with that of Israel and Cyprus and then onto Turkey… where’s the layout distance saving? :)

Anyway, I won't be responding anymore to this topic in this thread because it's off-topic and neither do I feel it'll come to pass.

Those interested can move it to the appropriate thread.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:00 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Maximus wrote:Turkey doesnt have any other role in this scenario other than being a transit and consumption country that earns a fee and pays for what she consumes.

the quicker she wakes up to that, the better for everyone.

It’s fascinating how quickly you accepted and adopted exactly what Erdo was telling us from the onset, when gas was first discovered!

Dude, Cyprus always said Turkey can get involved but to resolve the CY prob first. Only reason why Turkey has been left out in the cold is because she is rogue.

I also note that you haven’t noticed that a “3+1” would involve almost the same length of pipelines being laid, yet fell for the East-Med not being viable due to distance, trick!

The depth is not the same though is it? the cost is not the same. just like it costs more to build a road through a mountain instead of over an open field. At the end of the day, the experts need to do the feasibility studies and CY will do what is best for CY.

If you’re going to re-route Greece’s gas all the way back to Cyprus just so it can form into one with that of Israel and Cyprus and then onto Turkey… where’s the layout distance saving? :)

I am not going to do that. did anyone say that this is how Greece's gas would flow?

Anyway, I won't be responding anymore to this topic in this thread because it's off-topic and neither do I feel it'll come to pass.

Those interested can move it to the appropriate thread.

You started it and asked for replies.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:22 pm

On energy and trade...

Saudi Arabia Considers Accepting Yuan Instead of Dollars for Chinese Oil Sales
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arab ... 1647351541

Russian Oil Is Too Cheap To Resist For China And India
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/ ... India.html

Chinese Buyers Given Flexibility to Pay in Yuan for Russian Oil
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ussian-oil

A Petroyuan Would Be A Blow For The Dollar
https://seekingalpha.com/article/449610 ... ick-dollar

Putin May Collect $321 Billion Windfall If Oil and Gas Keep Flowing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=Fbhig0fX
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:36 pm

Countless hundreds more Ukrainian soldiers dying and/or surrendering in the Donbass region… nothing is gonna stop Russia’s Novorossiya partition, and no more access to the Black sea for the Ukraine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:24 pm

I heard some crazy news from a friend an hour ago that Belarus invaded the Ukraine… this is all I could find to verify it for now:

Lukashenko: Belarus has launched a special operation in Ukraine
https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/en/lukashe ... o-ukraina/


The Dollar Dethroned: We Have Reached The End Of Monetary Policy As We All Once Knew It
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/th ... eached?s=w

Say hello to Russian gold and Chinese petroyuan
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/ ... -petroyuan

The Road to Debt Monetization Is Paved With Good Intentions
https://schiffgold.com/peters-podcast/p ... ntentions/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:51 pm

''U.S. Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, right, is joined by Ukraine's Ambassador to Cyprus Ruslan Nimchynskyi, right, and Cypriot Foreign Affairs Minister Ioannis Kasoulides, left, at the site of an anchor that the Ukrainian city of Odesa donated to the Cypriot coastal town of Larnaca during their twinning on Wednesday, April 6, 2022. Nuland said that Ukraine not only fights for its own sovereignty, but for the freedom and rights of the entire democratic world and that Cyprus and the U.S. stand in solidarity with the country.(AP Photo/Petros Karadjias)''
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... e-83914520

...and my comment,
...i did not imagine speaking to Mdme. Nuland again in this comments section about the Problem, but here we are facing "Russians" in the Ukraine (not unlike the "Ukrainians" who hold the same contempt for those who cannot accept their mythic realities as dogma): what is the Ukrainian identity being usurped.

...let us hope that in the Ukraine, the People are not prepared to allow "Them" control of the Agenda (so that they may continue in their proxy war) which leaves Ukrainians, Russian or Ukrainian, in affect without representation, ignored and dismissed; with their existence, and such an identity an existential question.

Let us focus on Mr. Putin because this is his war, prepared to divide Russians, not just Ukrainians, in his effort to define "Russians" (not unlike "Greekness" or "Turkishness'') as a hateful enterprise for (more) power and their superiority (read: dominance) over others.

...what is a BBF? And let's not forget that the USA was the first such Political System where a State defends its Citizens as equals, as Individuals, securing their Freedom by defending a Rule of Law, without the need for any other distinction or discrimination among them, while as Persons, at another level of government, as Constituencies, they may as distinct identities represent a Majority, having this Liberty, mindful of the Minorities living among them by providing for their special needs also, as a People of Goodwill and Goodfaith having values based on the same Universal Principles which only "few" resist.

...and if a solution is found, to the Problem, in the Ukraine, one hopes it is the "perfect solution" which has been the preoccupation in Cyprus for so long, because many countries need such an example to emulate.

...Mr. Erdogan, i imagine would not be against such a notion, a BBF. What with his own country torn as it is with the same problem, it would be a great Legacy for him to make the same reform with Turkey's Constitution: a BBF; a State and Constituencies: as individuals defending Freedom, as persons enjoying their Liberty respectfully as a loving people.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:12 pm

When Nukes Start Dropping Where Will You Go?
https://americanfreepress.net/when-nuke ... ll-you-go/

China Promises 'Consequences' For US If Nancy Pelosi Visits Taiwan During Asia Trip
https://www.ibtimes.com/china-promises- ... ip-3465782

U.S. Mustn't Be 'Intimidated' From Using Nukes Against Russia Over Ukraine
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63006

German Grocers Will Reportedly Hike Food Prices by Anywhere From 20-50%
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62999

Zelensky government puts Ukrainians under heavy debt pit of the West
https://www.weeklyblitz.net/oped/zelens ... -the-west/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 07, 2022 11:32 pm

Russia Coal and Oil Paid for in Yuan Starts Heading to China
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... g-to-china

China says trade with Russia should continue as normal
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/185253/Chi ... -as-normal

Russia-China trade & deposits of Russian citizens in Yuan
https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/do ... x_tr_hl=en
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