Cyprus-Forum.com

[Londonrake]

...open a topic and swear away; have some respect at least, for the Forum.

Sorry, the forum is closed... come back next year.

Now we've got a silly-buggers playground because that's what you all wanted.

So, "Ta, Ta" then?

[Get Real!]

...open a topic and swear away; have some respect at least, for the Forum.

Sorry, the forum is closed... come back next year.

Now we've got a silly-buggers playground because that's what you all wanted.

So, "Ta, Ta" then?

That’s right, shove it up your arse all the way like you deserve, and ta-ta!

[repulsewarrior]

...not me GR; i will keep writing in any case, it is not the first time where i find myself alone, here.

Freedom for Cyprus, and Liberty for Cypriots, too. No, to the "Greeks" and to the "Turks" who are no different but the same, they are an anathema to a Cypriot's way of living.

Freedom for Ukraine, and Liberty; like in Cyprus, (and Syria) (and Israel and Iraq), (and Turkey,) they have the Problem too.

...cheers.

[repulsewarrior]

https://medium.com/@PerspectifyNewsUkra ... 3fb39b8000

...an article which looks at the 'biolabs' in the Ukraine, and Russian (read: Putin's) propaganda, from an Historical perspective.

[Kikapu]

Good evening, Dave (LR)!

I will try to keep my responses short to your post.

As you often remind others that this thread is about Ukraine-Russia war whenever some members want to make comparison this war with the likes of Irak or Afghanistan, I would like to remind you of the same and not to bring Hitler’s and Stalin’s actions with the invasion of Poland and whether the rest of Europe should bear any blame for that action. Fair is fair, no? No point comparing lemons and oranges as there are no comparisons to the present situation in Ukraine. Thanks for agreeing with me!

The western media has gone totally into a propaganda mode on Ukraine. It is nauseating to try and watch the news on TV these days because they are hardly presenting any unbiased news at all. News has become propaganda documentaries instead, and for the so called democratic countries with the freedom of the press jargon are not allowing any opposing views to allow the readers/viewers to make up their own minds, and for this reason, I welcome ALL of GR’s efforts in posting anything he can on any articles which are not talked about in the western media. Who wouldn’t who want to hear ALL the news and not only the ones force fed to us?

There’s nothing wrong in any of us analyzing the war in Ukraine in the way we see it. It does not mean we enjoy all the deaths and destructions that is happening. All free thinkers must read and watch as much as possible from all points of view to try to understand what is actually happening on the ground. As for Zelenskyy, I have had enough of his push for WW3. He is part responsible for the deaths and destruction of his people and country. Not many clean hands are in this fight, not unless one is not a free thinker but instead a sponge for bullshit. If we only want to dissect the war now as to who is the invader and who is the defender, then it is a clear cut who the parties are, but this war did not start on February 24th, no, it had started long long before that at the negotiation table without any resolution for years and years. So now we are where we are.

No, I was not accusing you of being sarcastic to us Cypriots who have been through wars first hand. My comment was about your sarcasm at times when certain points are made by those members who have experienced wars first hand, that we do not find it funny since some of us can relate to what is going on in Ukraine and hardship the people are going through if they are not killed. As my old girlfriend use to say that, sarcasms is the lowest form of humour. I think we can all agree on that, to which it does not make much constructive contribution to the topic at hand.

I personally do not see myself on being on the fence regarding this war. I am an observer as to what is happening and try to learn as much as possible, so long as I have my bullshit propaganda safety screen up to protect myself from swallowing all the crap being dished out in the western media. The moment so called democratic countries start blocking any opposing views, then it stars to irritate the shit out of me. Not sure about few other members on this forum if they feel the same way and I suspect not, but I am very allergic to such shenanigans.

Good evening Kicks. Dave here. Although, if we're thinking of the same character I'm a bit more of a Del than Rodney or the heroic Trig.

Please don't keep your responses short. I enjoy them at least and frankly in my case very few others can see my posts

You are wrong. I will pause - have a glass of vino and let that shocking revelation sink in.

IMHO there really isn't much of a correlation between Iraq/Afghanistan and events in Ukraine compared to the example I offered, which is I submit orange for an orange, sorta thing. I add that, whilst there's an irresistible urge by some on this forum to continually turn every post in this thread towards past US/UK events I don't think I've ever read one condemning the Russians for bombing the shit out of the Shia civilian population in Syria, in order to prop up the latest member of the dictatorial, traditionally butchering Assad family. Some members here really do love their dictators. Oops, my apologies. I'm being hypocritical.

No. Hitler also had this grand vision of the expansion of Germany into not only traditional areas of influence, like Austria but the largely German speaking population of the Czech Sudetenland. It all going down quite well for him the rest being history. The parallels between that and current events in Ukraine are hard to dispute. Although, don't let me stop you of course.

Here, if you will forgive me "I will try to keep my responses short to your post"

I really don't understand your whole take on the "propaganda" thing. We have the luxury of being able to source material from around the globe. Weigh it up and make our own judgements. I really don't understand your POV. If I'm correct you seem to be saying that because some countries have blocked Russian reporting there's is ipso facto all "propaganda". Let me ask you something. What do you think people in Russia are seeing and hearing? Because - and I appreciate this is stating the obvious - the entirety of media in the country is state controlled. That is, the whole full monty is basically Putin's mouthpiece. If you disagree please give me your rationale. As such do you really think you are getting an unbiased view of events in Ukraine from any Russian media source?

Having said that, you are of course able to look at the Russian POV (for what it's worth). We're reading things like reports from RT/Sputnik and numerous .RU sites on this forum. The great man himself has come down from the mountain to show you how to do it.

Actually, I've been in a couple of wars. FWIW. First hand sorta thing. I've lost friends and colleagues in them. So, I'm not talking out of my ass. Too many cucumbers up there.

This is probably out there in the forbidden zone. Nevertheless, why is it when GR posts about Demonic possession, Satan stalking the Earth and his part in God's plan, not forgetting his many times talking in eager anticipation about global nuclear war - nobody comments upon it? Is there some sort of vow of silence in this forum?

I think I've sussed my mistake in that respect. Instead of calling a spade a spade and pointing out he's a total nutter I should instead have adopted the approach that he's actually to be tolerated in silence. Like an eccentric Father figure. What's your take on that?

My apologies for yet another "insubstantial" post. Guess I will see you in about another .................8 pages time. There's more going on in this thread than Ukraine.

Odd, nothing's been said about events coming to light in Bucha.

Yes, I believe we are talking about the same thing, but I don’t know the characters you have mentioned. Sorry.

Nothing significant about the Dave character and you LR. It just brought forward the above image in my mind when you opened your post with, “Evening Kiks”.

It is not that I cannot access opposing information to the war in Ukraine from other sources, but that most of the western news are not presenting much, if any, of opposing views in their programs. Having said that, I did enjoy the conversation on BBC’s “Hard Talk” last night with Ukraine’s foreign minister. Bucha was discussed too, which was pointed out that Ukraine’s government has virtually recruited ALL civilian men between the ages of 18-60, guns given to them to kill any and all Russian soldiers in Ukraine, which may explain the reasons as to why “civilians” getting killed, but labeled as “Genocide” by Ukraine.

Look, I understand the power of propaganda images of a road being “littered” with dead bodies, no doubt carefully placed there by those making the claim of Genocide. Even choosing the specific town to do it in, Bucha, not very far from the English word Butcher, which carries a very negative connotation with slaughter, that would fit very well with the images of the dead on the street. So now Ukraine is using these images to not only ask for more military aid of all sorts, but also to accuse all those nations not giving what they want as being complicit what has happened in Bucha, of the images broadcasted around the world. This isn’t the first time such abuse of the dead has been propagandized by their own government and won’t be the last. So, now we are all guilty of all civilian deaths and destruction of Ukraine in the hands of Russia when Zelensky could have prevented much of this disaster, but choice not to on principle perhaps or perhaps by strong persuasion from others not to negotiate with Russia. I know this explanation is not enough for you, but there it is.

All members in this forum are capable in defending themselves whatever is thrown at them, regardless of what, and since we do not have a “ moral policeman” on here to prevent such discussions, it is left on individuals to monitor themselves. It does not mean certain words are condoned and over the years, most of us here are guilty to have said things that are regrettable. Live and learn really.

[erolz66]

It is not that I cannot access opposing information to the war in Ukraine from other sources, but that most of the western news are not presenting much, if any, of opposing views in their programs.

Like everything this is a matter of degrees but really Kiks, has any 'side's' media ever, in the entire history of mankind, presented much in the way of opposing views ? Given it is a matter of degree do you really consider the Russian side's media cover opposing view to a greater degree than the 'west's' side on this issue ? To me your 'surprise' is akin to being surprised that dogs bark ?

Look, I understand the power of propaganda images of a road being “littered” with dead bodies, no doubt carefully placed there by those making the claim of Genocide.

No doubt ? None ? Do you seriously doubt that there can not be war without war crimes. You seem to be using the logic that because there will always be attempts to create false claims of crimes that therefore means no crimes are ever actually committed. Russian forces will have committed war crimes. Ukrainian forces will have committed war crimes. How can you doubt this ?

Personally at this level I find the whole notion of 'war crimes' perverse and misleading. For me it is plain that war itself is a crime. There can be no war without war crimes.

[Kikapu]

It is not that I cannot access opposing information to the war in Ukraine from other sources, but that most of the western news are not presenting much, if any, of opposing views in their programs.

Like everything this is a matter of degrees but really Kiks, has any 'side's' media ever, in the entire history of mankind, presented much in the way of opposing views ? Given it is a matter of degree do you really consider the Russian side's media cover opposing view to a greater degree than the 'west's' side on this issue ? To me your 'surprise' is akin to being surprised that dogs bark ?

Look, I understand the power of propaganda images of a road being “littered” with dead bodies, no doubt carefully placed there by those making the claim of Genocide.

No doubt ? None ? Do you seriously doubt that there can not be war without war crimes. You seem to be using the logic that because there will always be attempts to create false claims of crimes that therefore means no crimes are ever actually committed. Russian forces will have committed war crimes. Ukrainian forces will have committed war crimes. How can you doubt this ?

Personally at this level I find the whole notion of 'war crimes' perverse and misleading. For me it is plain that war itself is a crime. There can be no war without war crimes.

I can understand news reports in Ukraine and Russia not having any opposing views as they are the parties in conflict with each other. My complaint is that why we do not have an honest opposing view to the war in countries not involved in this war directly? What happened to the Freedom of the Press? Perhaps governments in the west do not allow opposing views as not to look like hypocrites when they have already enabled and taken sides with Ukraine, just so to oppose Russia.

I was not saying war crimes has not occurred in Ukraine, as it would be oxymoron to claim otherwise in any war just as you have pointed out Erol. It’s the weaponizing of the dead for political and propaganda purposes by their own government which I find disturbing when the bodies are staged at the scene for maximum affect to get as much mileage as possible.

[repulsewarrior]

...fascinating, Russians reading my blog daily.

[Londonrake]

Nothing significant about the Dave character and you LR. It just brought forward the above image in my mind when you opened your post with, “Evening Kiks”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylgV8OyTIFg

.

[Get Real!]

Nothing significant about the Dave character and you LR. It just brought forward the above image in my mind when you opened your post with, “Evening Kiks”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylgV8OyTIFg

.

Wipe the cum off the sides of your mouth faggot!