Londonrake wrote:Kikapu wrote:Many different actions could have prevented the war in Ukraine, it’s destruction and the sufferings of it’s people by the millions, and yes, Russia not invading would have been one of those said actions, but not the only one. I don’t know how that changes anything to what I wrote that the fears of the EU is that they will be left with in becoming a welfare nanny of the displaced millions of Ukrainians escaping the war as their country is being destroyed by a war that didn’t have to happen and as the war continues to become never ending for a long time.
Some of us on this forum are old enough to have first hand experience of wars in Cyprus in the 60’s and the 70’s and what it means to be displaced in your own country, therefore, comments made by some of the forum members shouldn’t be cast away lightly by some with sarcasm. More and more I am seeing Ukraine as being the sacrificial lamb by the west in order for the west to destroy Russia as much as possible for reasons we can only speculate. You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs as the saying goes, and Ukraine is now the broken eggs in this idiom.
Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture of the Ukraine-Russia issues, your monolithic sarcastic comments on Russia’s role being the sole responsible party of what is happening in Ukraine over those posters who do try to see the whole picture regarding this war, your comments cannot be taken too seriously and neither does it make any constructive contribution to this thread.
Evening Kicks. Another day another few pages of argy bargy.
I'm sure that many different actions could have prevented any war. When Germany invaded Poland (jointly with Russia actually) was it the rest of Europe's fault, not really Hitler/Stalin's, and in that respect fully understandable? That seems to be the prevailing logic here.
I hope you will agree (because some in here won't) that the principle reason for the "destruction and the sufferings of it's (Ukrainian) people by the millions" is actually coming about because Vladimir Putin sent the Russian army into the place. The torturous mental calisthenics going on to somehow blame the carnage on somebody/anybody else is risible.
I do hope I haven't made derogatory comments about the past conflicts here in Cyprus. I certainly can't recall any. I'm a guest in this country, which I've loved since my first visit 47 years ago, and where I've now lived for 14 years, and I have nothing but sympathy for the tragedy which has occurred here. In that context I've found this forum particularly enlightening. As far as sarcasm goes, there are I'm sure very few exchanges between the like of Paphitis/DT and GR/Prypro, or just about anybody else really, which don't contain it.
I don't subscribe to GR's bonkers view (one of quite a few of his) that the West is out to destroy ("Genocide" usually) Russia. Does anybody else believe that? As you say, your views are speculative. Perhaps you need to get off the fence?
I urge you to have a look at Putin's 2021 essay on Ukraine. There you will discover the root cause of what's happening at the moment. He regards the country as an intrinsic part of a Greater Russia (plus Lithuania actually). Frankly, it has fuck all to do with NATO, which is just a contrived excuse. A fig leaf for what amounts basically to his imperialistic views and visions of his personal destiny in the matter.
Who on this forum is looking at "the whole picture"? Apparently the entire spectrum of western media has been taken over by the criminal, evil (feel free to add any other adjective/noun) US. So, nothing presented from such a source can be permitted to contribute to the "debate" (). Although, articles which support the pro-Russian view from it are of course exempt.
Does any rational (not you GR) person believe 5 weeks into this tragedy that everything happening is all part of some Putin supreme chess-master plan? Going perfectly - as conceived? Clearly, it's become a botched invasion and potential nightmare. The "baboons" have had the surprising effrontery to actually fight - and quite well - for their country.
Does anyone believe that everything that's happening economically is actually to Russia's advantage?
What constitutes a "constructive" contribution to this thread in that context? If you read back - and who does? - there are already dozens of BS predictions by the Russian apologists that could be shoved down their throats. This has become a disaster for the Russian army, it's ineptitude shown in a harsh global spotlight. Putin has painted himself into a corner and God knows where that will end up taking us all.
I've been accused of not contributing anything "substantial" to this unfolding tragedy. That gets you blocked or attracts those who have nothing better to do than attack other members of this tiny forum. So, what's the point? I'm all ears.
Good evening, Dave (LR)!
I will try to keep my responses short to your post.
As you often remind others that this thread is about Ukraine-Russia war whenever some members want to make comparison this war with the likes of Irak or Afghanistan, I would like to remind you of the same and not to bring Hitler’s and Stalin’s actions with the invasion of Poland and whether the rest of Europe should bear any blame for that action. Fair is fair, no? No point comparing lemons and oranges as there are no comparisons to the present situation in Ukraine. Thanks for agreeing with me!
The western media has gone totally into a propaganda mode on Ukraine. It is nauseating to try and watch the news on TV these days because they are hardly presenting any unbiased news at all. News has become propaganda documentaries instead, and for the so called democratic countries with the freedom of the press jargon are not allowing any opposing views to allow the readers/viewers to make up their own minds, and for this reason, I welcome ALL of GR’s efforts in posting anything he can on any articles which are not talked about in the western media. Who wouldn’t who want to hear ALL the news and not only the ones force fed to us?
There’s nothing wrong in any of us analyzing the war in Ukraine in the way we see it. It does not mean we enjoy all the deaths and destructions that is happening. All free thinkers must read and watch as much as possible from all points of view to try to understand what is actually happening on the ground. As for Zelenskyy, I have had enough of his push for WW3. He is part responsible for the deaths and destruction of his people and country. Not many clean hands are in this fight, not unless one is not a free thinker but instead a sponge for bullshit. If we only want to dissect the war now as to who is the invader and who is the defender, then it is a clear cut who the parties are, but this war did not start on February 24th, no, it had started long long before that at the negotiation table without any resolution for years and years. So now we are where we are.
No, I was not accusing you of being sarcastic to us Cypriots who have been through wars first hand. My comment was about your sarcasm at times when certain points are made by those members who have experienced wars first hand, that we do not find it funny since some of us can relate to what is going on in Ukraine and hardship the people are going through if they are not killed. As my old girlfriend use to say that, sarcasms is the lowest form of humour. I think we can all agree on that, to which it does not make much constructive contribution to the topic at hand.
I personally do not see myself on being on the fence regarding this war. I am an observer as to what is happening and try to learn as much as possible, so long as I have my bullshit propaganda safety screen up to protect myself from swallowing all the crap being dished out in the western media. The moment so called democratic countries start blocking any opposing views, then it stars to irritate the shit out of me. Not sure about few other members on this forum if they feel the same way and I suspect not, but I am very allergic to such shenanigans.
