Kikapu wrote:Many different actions could have prevented the war in Ukraine, it’s destruction and the sufferings of it’s people by the millions, and yes, Russia not invading would have been one of those said actions, but not the only one. I don’t know how that changes anything to what I wrote that the fears of the EU is that they will be left with in becoming a welfare nanny of the displaced millions of Ukrainians escaping the war as their country is being destroyed by a war that didn’t have to happen and as the war continues to become never ending for a long time.
Some of us on this forum are old enough to have first hand experience of wars in Cyprus in the 60’s and the 70’s and what it means to be displaced in your own country, therefore, comments made by some of the forum members shouldn’t be cast away lightly by some with sarcasm. More and more I am seeing Ukraine as being the sacrificial lamb by the west in order for the west to destroy Russia as much as possible for reasons we can only speculate. You cannot make an omelette without breaking few eggs as the saying goes, and Ukraine is now the broken eggs in this idiom.
Unless you are prepared to look at the whole picture of the Ukraine-Russia issues, your monolithic sarcastic comments on Russia’s role being the sole responsible party of what is happening in Ukraine over those posters who do try to see the whole picture regarding this war, your comments cannot be taken too seriously and neither does it make any constructive contribution to this thread.
Evening Kicks. Another day another few pages of argy bargy.
I'm sure that many different actions could have prevented any war. When Germany invaded Poland (jointly with Russia actually) was it the rest of Europe's fault, not really Hitler/Stalin's, and in that respect fully understandable? That seems to be the prevailing logic here.
I hope you will agree (because some in here won't) that the principle reason for the "
destruction and the sufferings of it's (Ukrainian)
people by the millions" is actually coming about because Vladimir Putin sent the Russian army into the place. The torturous mental calisthenics going on to somehow blame the carnage on somebody/anybody else is risible.
I do hope I haven't made derogatory comments about the past conflicts here in Cyprus. I certainly can't recall any. I'm a guest in this country, which I've loved since my first visit 47 years ago, and where I've now lived for 14 years, and I have nothing but sympathy for the tragedy which has occurred here. In that context I've found this forum particularly enlightening. As far as sarcasm goes, there are I'm sure very few exchanges between the like of Paphitis/DT and GR/Prypro, or just about anybody else really, which don't contain it.
I don't subscribe to GR's bonkers view (one of quite a few of his) that the West is out to destroy (
"Genocide" usually) Russia. Does anybody else believe that? As you say, your views are speculative. Perhaps you need to get off the fence?
I urge you to have a look at Putin's 2021 essay on Ukraine. There you will discover the root cause of what's happening at the moment. He regards the country as an intrinsic part of a Greater Russia (plus Lithuania actually). Frankly, it has fuck all to do with NATO, which is just a contrived excuse. A fig leaf for what amounts basically to his imperialistic views and visions of his personal destiny in the matter.
Who on this forum is looking at "the whole picture"? Apparently the entire spectrum of western media has been taken over by the criminal, evil (feel free to add any other adjective/noun) US. So, nothing presented from such a source can be permitted to contribute to the "debate" (
). Although, articles which support the pro-Russian view from it are of course exempt.
Does any rational (not you GR) person believe 5 weeks into this tragedy that everything happening is all part of some Putin supreme chess-master plan? Going perfectly - as conceived? Clearly, it's become a botched invasion and potential nightmare. The "baboons" have had the surprising effrontery to actually fight - and quite well - for their country.
Does anyone believe that everything that's happening economically is actually to Russia's advantage?
What constitutes a "constructive" contribution to this thread in that context? If you read back - and who does? - there are already dozens of BS predictions by the Russian apologists that could be shoved down their throats. This has become a disaster for the Russian army, it's ineptitude shown in a harsh global spotlight. Putin has painted himself into a corner and God knows where that will end up taking us all.
I've been accused of not contributing anything "substantial" to this unfolding tragedy. That gets you blocked or attracts those who have nothing better to do than attack other members of this tiny forum. So, what's the point? I'm all ears.
Let’s pay them so they leave! 
