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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:57 pm

Lordo wrote:One saying that the Russians were compelled to invade Ukraine is not the same as supporting the invasion. By the same token by saying Turkey was compelled to invade Cyprus is not supporting Turkey either. The two are different things.

In reality the situation was identicle. In 2014, the legitemate government was overthrown in Ukraine and so was the Cypriot government in 1974 by similar group of people the fascists. In Ukraine they wanted to wipe out the Russians and in CYprus TC from Cyprus. Fascists know nothing else.

As nobody has answered about what Sampson would have done, tell me what would have happened in 2014 and now if Russia did not invade?

Were the Russians in the east under no danger at all? Add to that how long before Americans would set up a base in Ukraine? and than what?

Yanks can go fuck themselves.


One of the most valuable aspects of this forum to me has been the insights from actual participants views of the history here, post 1960. And particularly of course those regarding 1974. There are, it seems to me, parallels between Ukraine and then but I can't really see any close similarity. As neither can I see with the 1962 Cuban crisis (which, sadly, I can remember! :lol: ).

Did they want to "wipe out the Russians"? I don't think so. In fact I don't believe that many - if any at all - were killed before Russia invaded Crimea. After which something like 14000 souls lost their lives. A heavy price, either way.

Much of the other assertions are I believe little more than Conspiracy Theories. Like the secret bio-weapon development labs, much beloved of GR, floated in both the Covid pandemic and this war.

When you say "Yanks can go fuck themselves". do you mean all 350 million? Which, in his gift for simplification, GR seems to want incinerated. When apparently "the world would celebrate like never before" Do you think a Ukrainian saying "Russians can go fuck themselves" under present circumstances would be a valid sentiment? Or, as some seem to delusionally believe, they should be grateful?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:00 pm

Now these socialist I joined in London at a concert and we got so angry together. This happened every year since 1986 and this was the 25th year of getting angry.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:As always, a nice write-up by my good friend Paul Craig Roberts, weighing in on the overall situation...


PCR is one of RH's stable regulars. I need say no more.


Really? That proves great men think alike. :P
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:23 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:As always, a nice write-up by my good friend Paul Craig Roberts, weighing in on the overall situation...


PCR is one of RH's stable regulars. I need say no more.


Really? That proves great men think alike. :P


Well, it's a long story.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:29 pm

Lordo wrote:Now these socialist I joined in London at a concert and we got so angry together. This happened every year since 1986 and this was the 25th year of getting angry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdFLS9xjtVE


Compare this with the satanic heavy metal screams of American sub-culture.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:46 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Lordo wrote:One saying that the Russians were compelled to invade Ukraine is not the same as supporting the invasion. By the same token by saying Turkey was compelled to invade Cyprus is not supporting Turkey either. The two are different things.

In reality the situation was identicle. In 2014, the legitemate government was overthrown in Ukraine and so was the Cypriot government in 1974 by similar group of people the fascists. In Ukraine they wanted to wipe out the Russians and in CYprus TC from Cyprus. Fascists know nothing else.

As nobody has answered about what Sampson would have done, tell me what would have happened in 2014 and now if Russia did not invade?

Were the Russians in the east under no danger at all? Add to that how long before Americans would set up a base in Ukraine? and than what?

Yanks can go fuck themselves.


One of the most valuable aspects of this forum to me has been the insights from actual participants views of the history here, post 1960. And particularly of course those regarding 1974. There are, it seems to me, parallels between Ukraine and then but I can't really see any close similarity. As neither can I see with the 1962 Cuban crisis (which, sadly, I can remember! :lol: ).

Did they want to "wipe out the Russians"? I don't think so. In fact I don't believe that many - if any at all - were killed before Russia invaded Crimea. After which something like 14000 souls lost their lives. A heavy price, either way.

Much of the other assertions are I believe little more than Conspiracy Theories. Like the secret bio-weapon development labs, much beloved of GR, floated in both the Covid pandemic and this war.

When you say "Yanks can go fuck themselves". do you mean all 350 million? Which, in his gift for simplification, GR seems to want incinerated. When apparently "the world would celebrate like never before" Do you think a Ukrainian saying "Russians can go fuck themselves" under present circumstances would be a valid sentiment? Or, as some seem to delusionally believe, they should be grateful?

Clearly not all, I was refering to the fuckers who spend most of their time outside the Yankistan ruining other peopl's lives.
Let me see now, can we find any similarities.

Lets take this one shall we.

Similarity 1 - the Yanks wanted both Cyprus and Ukraine to be part of Nato.

As to Cuba and Ukraine? You kidding me. When Cuba wanted Russian missiles to be stationed there, did America just say ok. Did they not almost start WW3 then? You have had a very shetered life.

The bloke who owned my house previously built a shelter about that time believing that WW3 was about to start. I bet you don't even know why the Russians accepted to pull back?

Shall we look for more similarities?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:46 pm

Sanctions Won’t Bring Down Putin, But They Will Punish the World
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/sa ... rld-201423

Washington Helped Trigger The Ukraine War
https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... raine-war/

Partnering With Neo-Nazis in Ukraine: An Inconvenient History
https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider ... t-history/

Russia is offering SWIFT alternative to India for rouble payments
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/ ... e-payments

Hungary Accuses Ukraine of Election Meddling
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news-r ... -response/

Putin popularity rose to 71% in February
https://intellinews.com/putin-popularit ... rce=russia

Putin's Popularity Rises in Russia, Drops Among Americans
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin ... ia-1693521

NB: A Chinese military base is forming on Australia’s doorstep…

China, Solomons ink draft of controversial security pact
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... t-83780044
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:Now these socialist I joined in London at a concert and we got so angry together. This happened every year since 1986 and this was the 25th year of getting angry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdFLS9xjtVE


Compare this with the satanic heavy metal screams of American sub-culture.

Indeed.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:04 pm

And here is my yank friends dropping flowers on the civilians

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:33 pm

US Enhances its Bacteriological and Chemical Weapons Capabilities
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/31/us-e ... abilities/

Having Failed to Divide Syria and Iraq, US Decides to Dismember Ukraine
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/30/havi ... r-ukraine/

Ukrainian War Lies Expose Frightening Reality Shift
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/29/ukra ... ity-shift/

Oil and Gas Failure and Humiliation of Washington
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/23/oil- ... ashington/
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