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[Pyrpolizer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/co ... _animator/

[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0HZP9p-mnE

...a broad perspective of opinions.

I started suspecting this "1420" Youtube channel of manipulating it's "polls" (by threading only the clips it likes) from the previous poll when out of 25 people asked not even one supported Russia's decision to invade Ukraine. Yet look here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... -invasion/

[Paphitis]

Russia’s new Rubles-For-Gas plan…

Although I haven’t been able to ascertain the exact date of the EU’s gas payment due to Russia, there appears to be only a limited number of options available for the two parties.

I think it's important to take a look at what the most likely outcome may be as it directly and imminently affects us.

So here are my most likely predicted scenarios...

1. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia considers it a payment default and so cuts the gas supply indefinitely.

2. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a euro payment and life goes on until the next payment is due.

3. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a final payment in Euros but then cuts the gas supply citing a new rubles-for-gas contract be established for any future gas supply.

4. The EU purchases rubles on the currency market and pays Russia as demanded, sending the value of the ruble to new heights.


Knowing Putin's shrewdness, my guess is that we will end up with outcome #3.

So pick a number and tell us what you think... or even add your own option; something I haven't thought of...

The currency to be paid in will have been stipulated in the relevant contracts. That will be $/€. So, this is all a breach of......................

It's just another nail in the coffin of Putin/Russia's reputation as a reliable supplier and will make the move away from reliance gather increasing momentum.

That won't happen overnight. National energy procurement policies are juggernauts, but it will nevertheless inexorably come about. The EU in particular has been a massive importer of Russian gas and oil (St Angela's doing, mainly).

The idea that it all doesn't matter - they will just sell it to someone else doesn't bear scrutiny. Despite all the spin the ultimate effect upon Russian GDP will be profoundly negative.

You can't read this of course but it doesn't matter because talking to you has almost always been a waste of time anyway. Somebody show me any meaningful conversation. Rather than a broadcasting of your views and sneering contempt for any other. And actually - a case of unintended consequences - they're right - it's fun being invisible to somebody like you.

Yeh, Russia is in no position to be making such demands which would be deemed to be a breach of contract.

It's all just Russian smoke and mirrors, for domestic consumption.

It's actually a great thing for energy securt=ity as it will force Europe to look for base load energy from Nuclear and Coal sources until Green technology matures and is better able to fill the gap.

[Paphitis]

You have to separate the tactical and the strategic perspective here.

Tactically, Russia is doing worse than anyone anticipated. They’re especially doing incomparably worse than Putin had anticipated; there are now multiple lines of evidence that suggest that he calculated on the entire operation taking 48 hours. They are running out of food and fuel, and quite likely also of other supplies—not in general, but where they are needed, and getting them to the right place also costs resources. They are also likely to be running out of money; modern wars are very expensive and you can’t keep an army of this size in the field for an unlimited time.

But they are still advancing, only much, much slower than they thought they would, and not uniformly—some of the pictures of captured Russian vehicles strongly suggest that they have had to retreat at least every now and then. It is far from certain that they will fail to occupy Ukraine, although time is probably beginning to run out because they are likely to be running low on money.

Strategically, Russia has already lost. Even if they should eventually achieve all their objectives, their strategic position will afterwards be immensely weaker than it was before. The economy is devastated, their political position in the world is devastated; their assets are seized, their banks are under severe strain, their allies have deserted them, their currency is in serious trouble and might yet collapse into hyperinflation, foreign capital is fleeing and foreign businesses are closing. None of this will change if they manage to occupy Ukraine; some of it might get even worse, since the occupation will in itself be costly and tie up troops. Their only remaining “friend”, China, looks more like a vulture waiting to feast.

On balance, yes, I would say that they are not only losing—they have already lost. Not in the sense of being totally defeated, but in the sense of ending up in a worse situation than the one they started from

Surely not!

We've been assured (by hourly broadcasts!) that, almost 5 weeks into their "special military operation" everything's going according to plan for the Russians. Stories about their expectations of taking Kiev and capturing the Ukrainian government within days, greeted by cheering crowds as in Crimea ....... clearly propaganda. As are reports of the 60% of the Russian army in Ukraine suffering alarmingly high losses and resorting to indiscriminate city flattening tactics.

That can't be true. They even have the capacity to carry out provocative actions against the Japanese. It's all in the hundreds of links.

The man in the Kremlin is apparently, coldly and calculatingly, moving events around in a way that makes Garry Kasparov look like a bungling infant.

Are you saying this is all ................................. well ....................... a load of bollocks? That's really hard to believe.

Oh yeh....very hard to believe...

[Paphitis]

So it looks like the Russian tanks won't be rolling into any Ukrainian Cities after all.

After we were told that Russia will enter Kyiv in 72 hours.

And Russian forces will now retreat back into Crimea and Donesk.

Wow, what a come down for Pootin.

And now, he looks poised to lose all his energy markets to boot as one country after another moves away from doing any business with Russia. And rumour has it that the Oligarchs are most unpleased as their ill gained assets are frozen each day.

[Lordo]

Russia’s new Rubles-For-Gas plan…

Although I haven’t been able to ascertain the exact date of the EU’s gas payment due to Russia, there appears to be only a limited number of options available for the two parties.

I think it's important to take a look at what the most likely outcome may be as it directly and imminently affects us.

So here are my most likely predicted scenarios...

1. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia considers it a payment default and so cuts the gas supply indefinitely.

2. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a euro payment and life goes on until the next payment is due.

3. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a final payment in Euros but then cuts the gas supply citing a new rubles-for-gas contract be established for any future gas supply.

4. The EU purchases rubles on the currency market and pays Russia as demanded, sending the value of the ruble to new heights.


Knowing Putin's shrewdness, my guess is that we will end up with outcome #3.

So pick a number and tell us what you think... or even add your own option; something I haven't thought of...

The currency to be paid in will have been stipulated in the relevant contracts. That will be $/€. So, this is all a breach of......................

It's just another nail in the coffin of Putin/Russia's reputation as a reliable supplier and will make the move away from reliance gather increasing momentum.

That won't happen overnight. National energy procurement policies are juggernauts, but it will nevertheless inexorably come about. The EU in particular has been a massive importer of Russian gas and oil (St Angela's doing, mainly).

The idea that it all doesn't matter - they will just sell it to someone else doesn't bear scrutiny. Despite all the spin the ultimate effect upon Russian GDP will be profoundly negative.

You can't read this of course but it doesn't matter because talking to you has almost always been a waste of time anyway. Somebody show me any meaningful conversation. Rather than a broadcasting of your views and sneering contempt for any other. And actually - a case of unintended consequences - they're right - it's fun being invisible to somebody like you.

Yeh, Russia is in no position to be making such demands which would be deemed to be a breach of contract.

It's all just Russian smoke and mirrors, for domestic consumption.

It's actually a great thing for energy securt=ity as it will force Europe to look for base load energy from Nuclear and Coal sources until Green technology matures and is better able to fill the gap.

I am sure the contracts are sophisticated enough to allow change of currency and cancelation too. All contracts have a cancelation clause so long as sufficient time is give.

I don't suppose you have seen a contract in your life.

BTW breech of contract normally means cancelation. So go get your gas from elsewhere.

it really is not a big deal for the supplier as their product is in demand.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0HZP9p-mnE

...a broad perspective of opinions.

I started suspecting this "1420" Youtube channel of manipulating it's "polls" (by threading only the clips it likes) from the previous poll when out of 25 people asked not even one supported Russia's decision to invade Ukraine. Yet look here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... -invasion/

...the age of the respondents seems pretty important; young people do not agree with Putin (we see from the videos), and older people (those who remember the Soviet era) are split.

[repulsewarrior]

...a little History,



...Kyiv is older than Moscow, this much is clear.

[Get Real!]

What we have learned about the West’s “Freedom & democracy” from the Ukrainian debacle…

On the existence of Independent Media:

From the onset of the Ukrainian war not a single media network of the West has been allowed to publish *anything* outside of the narrative propagated by the White House. This outrageous 21st century mass-authoritarianism of the media spans well over 30 “sovereign” nations (US+EU+NATO) affecting close to a billion inhabitants that are subjected to a systematic brainwashing on a never-before-seen, scale!

On upholding Free Speech:

The instant banning and intentional blocking of Russian Internet websites from the onset of the hostilities, enforcing a draconian “exclusivity to the microphone” policy for the US, which again spans the entirety of over 30 “sovereign” nations, coupled with the total authoritarian control of all popular Internet social platforms that led to mass post deletions, mass member banning and blockings of all “undesirable” views worldwide, is another unprecedented gross violation to “Free Speech” by the West, in the 21st century!

On upholding Human Rights:

The West’s public announcement for and implementation of an all-out “economic war” (read GENOCIDE) against Russia (in contravention of the UN Charter) and the subsequent indiscriminate persecution of individuals of Russian descend living legally in the West, followed by a multitude of confiscations and theft of their private properties and in some cases expulsions from their homes, are all acts in complete violation to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) to which most of the West if not all, are a signatory!

Make no mistake… for the West does NOT put its actions where its mouth is but exists under perpetual double standards and severe hypocrisy proving to be far more despotic and authoritarian than “enemy states” it has the audacity to point the finger at!

[Pyrpolizer]

A bit of copy paste from "dirty" sites

Q.
The British authorities were going to supply Ukraine with 6,000 missiles and allocate 25 million pounds to the Ukrainian army for military needs. To what extent this will become a serious strengthening for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Will it complicate the conduct of a special operation?

A.
Money will reach Ukraine, fall into the accounts. But how to deliver 6000 missiles to the battlefield? Planes do not fly, trains do not run, the only way is by road from Poland. Imagine a car convoy starts to carry weapons. As soon as it crosses the Ukrainian border, it will immediately be hit by the military space forces of the Russian Federation, since this is a military cargo. We are tracking everything. [Application for help] are propaganda measures that do not play any role in strengthening the combat capability of the Ukrainian army.