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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pm

Get Real! wrote:Russia’s new Rubles-For-Gas plan…

Although I haven’t been able to ascertain the exact date of the EU’s gas payment due to Russia, there appears to be only a limited number of options available for the two parties.

I think it's important to take a look at what the most likely outcome may be as it directly and imminently affects us.

So here are my most likely predicted scenarios...

1. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia considers it a payment default and so cuts the gas supply indefinitely.

2. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a euro payment and life goes on until the next payment is due.

3. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a final payment in Euros but then cuts the gas supply citing a new rubles-for-gas contract be established for any future gas supply.

4. The EU purchases rubles on the currency market and pays Russia as demanded, sending the value of the ruble to new heights.


Knowing Putin's shrewdness, my guess is that we will end up with outcome #3.

So pick a number and tell us what you think... or even add your own option; something I haven't thought of...


The currency to be paid in will have been stipulated in the relevant contracts. That will be $/€. So, this is all a breach of......................

It's just another nail in the coffin of Putin/Russia's reputation as a reliable supplier and will make the move away from reliance gather increasing momentum.

That won't happen overnight. National energy procurement policies are juggernauts, but it will nevertheless inexorably come about. The EU in particular has been a massive importer of Russian gas and oil (St Angela's doing, mainly).

The idea that it all doesn't matter - they will just sell it to someone else doesn't bear scrutiny. Despite all the spin the ultimate effect upon Russian GDP will be profoundly negative.

You can't read this of course but it doesn't matter because talking to you has almost always been a waste of time anyway. Somebody show me any meaningful conversation. Rather than a broadcasting of your views and sneering contempt for any other. And actually - a case of unintended consequences - they're right - it's fun being invisible to somebody like you.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:34 pm

What Pandora Papers revealed about Zelensky offshore accounts and funding from Ukrainian kleptocracy

Key Findings

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his partners in comedy production owned a network of offshore companies related to their business based in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize.

Zelensky’s current chief aide, Serhiy Shefir, as well as the head of the country’s Security Service, were part of the offshore network.

Offshore companies were used by Shefir and another business partner to buy pricey London real estate.

Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelensky handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Shefir, but the two appear to have made an arrangement for Zelensky’s family to continue receiving money from the offshore.

https://new-economy.gr/2022/03/13/zelensky-pandora/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:53 pm

‘Russia aims to split Ukraine’
Kyiv’s head of military intelligence says Russia is attempting to “create North and South Korea in Ukraine.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2 ... n-liveblog

:roll: I hope this “head of intelligence” is not on the payroll because you could’ve gotten the same advice for free from day one, by a 12 year old!

Is it just me or are Ukrainians an extra kind of stupid? :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:04 pm

President Zelenskyy calls on the US to provide fighter jets to Ukraine's military

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/27/pre ... s-military

Dude, you’ve lost your air-force, and navy, and S2As, and most of your vehicles and now you’re trapped in urban buildings with demoralized foot soldiers facing starvation… just wave the white flag and stop killing your people.

Thanks to your “command” you’ve lost a war in the worst possible way and now you gotta face the humiliating music!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:55 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Russia’s new Rubles-For-Gas plan…

Although I haven’t been able to ascertain the exact date of the EU’s gas payment due to Russia, there appears to be only a limited number of options available for the two parties.

I think it's important to take a look at what the most likely outcome may be as it directly and imminently affects us.

So here are my most likely predicted scenarios...

1. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia considers it a payment default and so cuts the gas supply indefinitely.

2. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a euro payment and life goes on until the next payment is due.

3. The EU refuses to pay in rubles and Russia accepts a final payment in Euros but then cuts the gas supply citing a new rubles-for-gas contract be established for any future gas supply.

4. The EU purchases rubles on the currency market and pays Russia as demanded, sending the value of the ruble to new heights.


Knowing Putin's shrewdness, my guess is that we will end up with outcome #3.

So pick a number and tell us what you think... or even add your own option; something I haven't thought of...


The currency to be paid in will have been stipulated in the relevant contracts. That will be $/€. So, this is all a breach of......................

It's just another nail in the coffin of Putin/Russia's reputation as a reliable supplier and will make the move away from reliance gather increasing momentum.

That won't happen overnight. National energy procurement policies are juggernauts, but it will nevertheless inexorably come about. The EU in particular has been a massive importer of Russian gas and oil (St Angela's doing, mainly).

The idea that it all doesn't matter - they will just sell it to someone else doesn't bear scrutiny. Despite all the spin the ultimate effect upon Russian GDP will be profoundly negative.

You can't read this of course but it doesn't matter because talking to you has almost always been a waste of time anyway. Somebody show me any meaningful conversation. Rather than a broadcasting of your views and sneering contempt for any other. And actually - a case of unintended consequences - they're right - it's fun being invisible to somebody like you.

Hang on a moment, if the Americans can cancel a contract and apply the sanctions, so can the Russians. This is war and the price wil be paid mostly by the civilians in the west with higher prices. Unless America can hold India, China and Afican nations from buying these resources in fact Russia wil make a bigger profit as the price of the resources are much higher.
The Europeans have not woken up yet to realise what game is played here and the Ukraine was is a smoke screen to hide the real intention.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:00 pm

Whatever you say Lordo.

Anyway.

Is this a message from Admin to Milti about his GR posts?

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:33 pm

DT. wrote:You have to separate the tactical and the strategic perspective here.

Tactically, Russia is doing worse than anyone anticipated. They’re especially doing incomparably worse than Putin had anticipated; there are now multiple lines of evidence that suggest that he calculated on the entire operation taking 48 hours. They are running out of food and fuel, and quite likely also of other supplies—not in general, but where they are needed, and getting them to the right place also costs resources. They are also likely to be running out of money; modern wars are very expensive and you can’t keep an army of this size in the field for an unlimited time.

But they are still advancing, only much, much slower than they thought they would, and not uniformly—some of the pictures of captured Russian vehicles strongly suggest that they have had to retreat at least every now and then. It is far from certain that they will fail to occupy Ukraine, although time is probably beginning to run out because they are likely to be running low on money.

Strategically, Russia has already lost. Even if they should eventually achieve all their objectives, their strategic position will afterwards be immensely weaker than it was before. The economy is devastated, their political position in the world is devastated; their assets are seized, their banks are under severe strain, their allies have deserted them, their currency is in serious trouble and might yet collapse into hyperinflation, foreign capital is fleeing and foreign businesses are closing. None of this will change if they manage to occupy Ukraine; some of it might get even worse, since the occupation will in itself be costly and tie up troops. Their only remaining “friend”, China, looks more like a vulture waiting to feast.

On balance, yes, I would say that they are not only losing—they have already lost. Not in the sense of being totally defeated, but in the sense of ending up in a worse situation than the one they started from


Surely not!

We've been assured (by hourly broadcasts!) that, almost 5 weeks into their "special military operation" everything's going according to plan for the Russians. Stories about their expectations of taking Kiev and capturing the Ukrainian government within days, greeted by cheering crowds as in Crimea ....... clearly propaganda. As are reports of the 60% of the Russian army in Ukraine suffering alarmingly high losses and resorting to indiscriminate city flattening tactics.

That can't be true. They even have the capacity to carry out provocative actions against the Japanese. It's all in the hundreds of links.

The man in the Kremlin is apparently, coldly and calculatingly, moving events around in a way that makes Garry Kasparov look like a bungling infant.

Are you saying this is all ................................. well ....................... a load of bollocks? That's really hard to believe. :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:44 pm

Londonrake wrote:Whatever you say Lordo.

Anyway.

Is this a message from Admin to Milti about his GR posts?

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJxQzAa4eY
Do Russians want Ukraine to be Russian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgz7WjKmVQE
Woman whose town was overrun describes strange behavior by Russian soldiers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn2TCq6R8Tw
Gravitas Plus: The story of Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky

...today's picks.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:52 pm

Sanctioning Russia could topple the West
https://unherd.com/2022/03/sanctioning- ... -the-west/

Severe Economic Sanctions Against Russia Will END The Dollar As The Global Reserve Currency
https://thecovidworld.com/severe-econom ... -currency/

The ECONOMIC SUICIDE of the West is now under way…
https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/03/the-e ... -currency/

The Sanction Backlash Will Push The 'West' To Accept Russia's Demands
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/t ... 48af76200b

Russia’s counter sanctions will hit ‘weak spots’ of US and its allies
https://theshillongtimes.com/2022/02/26 ... ts-allies/

Bank of England Has Trapped Itself in a Tightening Corner
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... ing-corner

The West Failed Ukraine. It’s a Warning Sign For Taiwan As China Takes Cue From Russia
https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/the ... 15821.html

Why Africa does not appear to be ‘standing with Ukraine’
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022 ... th-ukraine
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