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[Kikapu]

Given everything you have written with merit LR, why didn't NATO then persuade Ukraine to reach a settlement with Russia on neutrality? I am upset the war was allowed to go ahead in the first place.

Evenin' Kicks.

I was of the impression that Zelenskyy had now offered the assurance Ukraine would never seek NATO membership. That doesn't seem to have hit the spot though and I suspect Putin, having gone "all in" needs something a lot more substantial to claim all the effort victorious to the Russian people.

I have to take issue with "allowed to go ahead in the first place". An awful lot of effort's been expended on this forum pursuing the idea that the invasion of Ukraine and war against its population is the fault of just about everybody except the Russians. Madhouse logic. Which, given who's posted what must be 70/90% on the subject (s) in here I suppose makes twisted sense. This war was started and is being undertaken as we "speak" by Russia.

I think anyone with a shred of humanity and compassion would be upset. I know it goes without saying, but will point out anyway, that a couple of members of the forum are obviously really enjoying this war. Posts being sneering, contemptuous, gloating. Gleefully detailing and boasting about the capabilities and effects of weapons (including a "favourite" ) which have caused the death of thousands and the numbers of refugees fleeing Ukraine millions. Only people that clearly have mental health issues would post such things.

I see the great man has ventured out of his hidey hole to make a comment. In his usual "NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS!" manner.

FWIW I appreciate Polonium-210, the substance used to assassinate Litivenko isn't a chemical weapon. Novichok though is nerve agent and hybrid chemical weapon variant. The advantage of it being the lethality vastly exceeds the like of VX or Sarin.

My points being

A. The Russians have lied about possessing such WMD and

B. They clearly have no problem with the idea of using them. Even in a very casual way and within high civilian population environments.

As for myself, I've spent a considerable amount of time in the past training to work in an NBC environment. Sometimes for extended (days) periods wearing all the kit. That including the then long NBC course at Winterbourne.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to quote me Kicks? So that the weasel can crawl out of his hidey hole again and see. If he wants to exchange his trade mark insults then he should stop acting like a petulant dummy thrower and grow a pair.

BTW. I see there's an interesting story in today's MSM scuttlebutt about somebody trying to get what's supposed to be Putin's bit on the side (ex gymnast and very fit looking lady) extradited from...................... Switzerland.

I know this is an old cliché, so here it goes. It takes two to Tango as the saying goes. Russia was ready to fight if it did not get most of what it wanted. Ukraine was willing to call Russia’s bluff with a twist, that Zelensky had already got assurances from NATO that it will stand by Ukraine in the event Russia did invade, so Zelensky got cocky, that if and when bully Russia were to attack, he would call for his newfound Big Brother (NATO) to come and kick Russia’s ass. A win win for Ukraine and NATO. Given the above, Zelensky had no interest in giving Russia anything to prevent this war and now we are were we are and no amount of “we will not join NATO” offering by Zelensky is going to stop this war as it has gone way beyond of no return for Russia. Add on top of that, Russia now knows for sure who it’s enemies are in the form of supplying weapons to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia and will fight them also in different theaters, some economically, some politically and some militarily should it be necessary to protect mother Russia. This war is no longer who is right and who is wrong, but instead, to what it will become, to which we do not have all the answers yet.

[repulsewarrior]

...he makes a compelling case for his optimism.

[Lordo]

Since when did EU suddenly decided that everybody should join in the war against Russia by helping Ukraine. France is a sovereign country last time I looked. The issue here is BoZo decided that France should send tanks. He can fuck off to kingdom come. If he wants do send tanks he can but to decide who should be sending them is beyond his remit in decision making. He can only speak for UK and nobody else.

Like I said before what the west is doing is not in the Ukraine interest as it has not stopped the fighting or deaths. It is in the interest of the arms manufacturers in the west though.

Take a step back and see what is really going on over there and who's interests are being served.

I think the EU (not a fan) have collectively decided upon their approach to the war in Ukraine. That, primarily being based upon a joint agreement it's being purely an act of Russian aggression. Which I imagine will result in shock! horror! indignation in here, where it sometimes surreally seems the Russians are a totally reasonable people who have simply been provoked beyond bearing and that the slaughter of Ukrainian people and destruction of their cities is all the fault of...................... fill in the blank.

Macron is doing something entirely typical of the French political elite and is clearly using this situation to promote his election campaign and the fortunes of French companies who remain highly active in Russia. Despicable but - that's the sort of back-stabbing behaviour they've engaged in since de Gaulle.

I can't find anything about the UK PM berating the French for not sending tanks to Ukraine. Although, I'm sure you can come up with something. What he did seem to say was:

"....... following the NATO meeting Western allies were working to ramp up lethal aid to Ukraine in the quantity and with the quality needed for defending Ukraine from Russia’s invasion. But he said the help will likely not extend to tanks and jets. Logistically it looks very difficult, both with armour and jets. We are very conscious of what he is asking for. The equipment we think is most valuable at the moment are missiles, which they can use to defend themselves.”

I'm sorry and truly disappointed but it seems reasonableness doesn't tend to feature as a currency you deal in and - you have a recurring tendency to cherry pick - in extremis.

I've twice asked a perfectly reasonable question - penned without malice. That being, how somebody with your obvious socialist/marxist proclivities could possibly justify supporting a man like Vladimir Putin. The very nemesis of those beliefs. No answer though. It seems that, much like the great man (blessings being upon his name) on this forum, you simply have an overbearing hatred of all things West and are in essence willing to support absolutely anyone who opposes them. A conundrum.

Anyway. Whilst I wouldn't be as childish as the great man and block anybody (IMHO simply an act of cowardice) I have to conclude that there seems little point in feeding your hatred. Which - to be fair to you - is certainly not at all a rare commodity hereabouts.

Lets get a few facts straight.

Fact 1 - how can I possibly be a Marxist if I never read Das Kapital.
Fact 2 - I do not Support Putin or any other aggressor.
Fact 3 - I pointed out many time, this is how world politics work. Just in the same way that America will not allow socialism or Russian bases appear anywhere near USA so does Russia and they will not allow bases with US missiles on their border. Putin pointed out this to the West back since 2002 till just a few month ago. This was very clear and the West was fully aware of this. Quite how Russia allowed the other old Soviet states to join Nato was a surprise. To defend the right of Ukraine to join Nato under sovereignty has mas the political maturity of a two year old. This is the world we are in.
Fact 4 - We have no fucking sovereignty. No sooner US has put up interest rates we followed suit
Fact 5 - as to me having hatred for the west is just you being unable to fully understand what I am saying. You have blinkers on. USA is responsible for millions of people being killed from Vietnam to Serbia and everywhere else in between for the last 70 years and you are blind to it. I do not hate the west for this, I have always made it clear this is the work of the CIA and the deep stated of America.
Fact 6 - this Ukrainian crisis is a smoke screen to hide the fact that USA is isolating Russia from the EU so there is no trade between them. So simple a fuckin 3 year old can see it. They have almost succeeded but not quite there yet.

So in a way as a reasonable man I cannot see that the USA is doing to anybody who does not serve their interests

But answer this question then. Who gave BoZo the authority to decide that tanks are needed in Ukraine and France must supply them. You what??

[repulsewarrior]

Yesterday, the forum’s resident mono-cell made a startling revelation…

...worth considering the possibility that the Ukraine may win.

Bow how does one arrive at such a conclusion… pure genius?

Well it’s all in the MAPS fools! Take a good look below…

DraftUkraineCoTMarch.png

Now I ask you… who has captured the most territory?

White Area = Captured by Ukrainians 3/4

Red Area = Captured by Russians 1/4

You see?

The bottom line is that Repulse the mono-cell, can read MAPS and you lot can’t!

...you should ask yourself; and DAESH? Talking about maps.

Assuming Russia will collapse and crumble is mistaken; this is Putin's, not Russia's war.

[Get Real!]

I held this article back from the forum because I was skeptical three days ago…

Russian Military Operation in Ukraine is Not Slow, It’s Planned to End on 9 May, Victory Day
https://syrianews.cc/russian-military-o ... ctory-day/

But today I’m seeing more such reports...

Putin ‘has already declared May 9 as the “END” of the war in Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... laims.html

So it’s starting to look like we can anticipate some kind of announcement from Putin on the 9th on his decision for the Ukraine.

My guess is the annexation of the eastern territory and the possible renouncement of Zelensky as president as he is no longer relevant.

[Get Real!]

...you should ask yourself; and DAESH? Talking about maps.

Assuming Russia will collapse and crumble is mistaken; this is Putin's, not Russia's war.

Huh?

You’re a total fucking fruitcake!

[Lordo]

Given everything you have written with merit LR, why didn't NATO then persuade Ukraine to reach a settlement with Russia on neutrality? I am upset the war was allowed to go ahead in the first place.

Evenin' Kicks.

I was of the impression that Zelenskyy had now offered the assurance Ukraine would never seek NATO membership. That doesn't seem to have hit the spot though and I suspect Putin, having gone "all in" needs something a lot more substantial to claim all the effort victorious to the Russian people.

I have to take issue with "allowed to go ahead in the first place". An awful lot of effort's been expended on this forum pursuing the idea that the invasion of Ukraine and war against its population is the fault of just about everybody except the Russians. Madhouse logic. Which, given who's posted what must be 70/90% on the subject (s) in here I suppose makes twisted sense. This war was started and is being undertaken as we "speak" by Russia.

I think anyone with a shred of humanity and compassion would be upset. I know it goes without saying, but will point out anyway, that a couple of members of the forum are obviously really enjoying this war. Posts being sneering, contemptuous, gloating. Gleefully detailing and boasting about the capabilities and effects of weapons (including a "favourite" ) which have caused the death of thousands and the numbers of refugees fleeing Ukraine millions. Only people that clearly have mental health issues would post such things.

I see the great man has ventured out of his hidey hole to make a comment. In his usual "NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS!" manner.

FWIW I appreciate Polonium-210, the substance used to assassinate Litivenko isn't a chemical weapon. Novichok though is nerve agent and hybrid chemical weapon variant. The advantage of it being the lethality vastly exceeds the like of VX or Sarin.

My points being

A. The Russians have lied about possessing such WMD and

B. They clearly have no problem with the idea of using them. Even in a very casual way and within high civilian population environments.

As for myself, I've spent a considerable amount of time in the past training to work in an NBC environment. Sometimes for extended (days) periods wearing all the kit. That including the then long NBC course at Winterbourne.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to quote me Kicks? So that the weasel can crawl out of his hidey hole again and see. If he wants to exchange his trade mark insults then he should stop acting like a petulant dummy thrower and grow a pair.

BTW. I see there's an interesting story in today's MSM scuttlebutt about somebody trying to get what's supposed to be Putin's bit on the side (ex gymnast and very fit looking lady) extradited from...................... Switzerland.

I know this is an old cliché, so here it goes. It takes two to Tango as the saying goes. Russia was ready to fight if it did not get most of what it wanted. Ukraine was willing to call Russia’s bluff with a twist, that Zelensky had already got assurances from NATO that it will stand by Ukraine in the event Russia did invade, so Zelensky got cocky, that if and when bully Russia were to attack, he would call for his newfound Big Brother (NATO) to come and kick Russia’s ass. A win win for Ukraine and NATO. Given the above, Zelensky had no interest in giving Russia anything to prevent this war and now we are were we are and no amount of “we will not join NATO” offering by Zelensky is going to stop this war as it has gone way beyond of no return for Russia. Add on top of that, Russia now knows for sure who it’s enemies are in the form of supplying weapons to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia and will fight them also in different theaters, some economically, some politically and some militarily should it be necessary to protect mother Russia. This war is no longer who is right and who is wrong, but instead, to what it will become, to which we do not have all the answers yet.

You forgot the bit where Ukraine attacked the Russians in the East of Ukraine back in 2014 and Russia came in to protect them. And of course this was done just after the elected President was ousted by Ukrainian thugs. This is what led to 2014 fighting.

[Londonrake]

I know this is an old cliché, so here it goes. It takes two to Tango as the saying goes. Russia was ready to fight if it did not get most of what it wanted. Ukraine was willing to call Russia’s bluff with a twist, that Zelensky had already got assurances from NATO that it will stand by Ukraine in the event Russia did invade, so Zelensky got cocky, that if and when bully Russia were to attack, he would call for his newfound Big Brother (NATO) to come and kick Russia’s ass. A win win for Ukraine and NATO. Given the above, Zelensky had no interest in giving Russia anything to prevent this war and now we are were we are and no amount of “we will not join NATO” offering by Zelensky is going to stop this war as it has gone way beyond of no return for Russia. Add on top of that, Russia now knows for sure who it’s enemies are in the form of supplying weapons to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia and will fight them also in different theaters, some economically, some politically and some militarily should it be necessary to protect mother Russia. This war is no longer who is right and who is wrong, but instead, to what it will become, to which we do not have all the answers yet.

Evening Kicks.

Thank you.

"Russia was ready to fight if it did not get most of what it wanted." I think pretty much sums things up. Where does that philosophy end exactly? Poland? Lithuania? Romania? Moldova? Etc, etc.

Read Putin's essay. "The historical Unity of Russia and Ukraine". It's all in there.

Anyway, right up to the last minute a lot of people, including I admit myself, earnestly believed that Putin wouldn't be so stupid as to invade. That, reinforced by repeated assurances from the man himself, Lavrov and high-end Russian ambassadors around the globe, that "Russia has no plan to invade Ukraine". Odd - that nobody wants to take that for what it was - a blatant lie. People tend to ignore awkward facts that don't fit their agenda. Did you realise that Putin is apparently an instrument of God's righteous wrath? No??

NATO was going to come and kick Russia's ass? Really? I never saw anything at all that suggested the remote possibility of such a thing. As I've said repeatedly the chances of Ukraine being admitted to NATO anytime soon (don't know how old you are but certainly not likely to be a factor for me) were small to zero. There just wasn't the unanimity required among the 30 members.

NATO countries supplying arms to Ukraine to fend of the biggest invasion in Europe since WW2. Shocking!

One of the principal conditions - IIRC - for Putin was that Ukraine would commit to neutrality and agree never to join NATO. Sorry, I don't think you can just brush that aside. It was supposedly an important prerequisite to a peace agreement.

Sorry - yet again - the idea of "Protecting Mother Russia" is AFAIC BS. This isn't about different political ideologies, as in the good ole days, it's simply 19th century, empire building imperialism.

So, come on, let's cut to the important thing. Did you check out Alina Kabaeva?

[repulsewarrior]

...we have discussed this before, but it is worth remembering,

[Kikapu]

So, come on, let's cut to the important thing. Did you check out Alina Kabaeva?

No sorry, not into gossip reading, but she was in the news couple of weeks ago.