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[Get Real!]

Indeed it ranked 3rd in nuclear warheads. But look at the hypocrisy of both the Russians and Nato in letting it become an independent non - nuclear state, with guarantees for it's security. In reality it has to built it's own security, so all it's left is who will be selling them weapons. It's always the same old story...

Ukraine is too dumb to remain independent, just as Cyprus was too dumb to be independent and ended up losing 37% of territory. Ukraine has already lost Crimea but despite this they’re hell-bent on losing some more!

Ah well…

[Pyrpolizer]

Indeed it ranked 3rd in nuclear warheads. But look at the hypocrisy of both the Russians and Nato in letting it become an independent non - nuclear state, with guarantees for it's security. In reality it has to built it's own security, so all it's left is who will be selling them weapons. It's always the same old story...

Ukraine is too dumb to remain independent, just as Cyprus was too dumb to be independent and ended up losing 37% of territory. Ukraine has already lost Crimea but despite this they’re hell-bent on losing some more!

Ah well…

So why didn't Malta, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Egypt etc etc lose any territory?

[Get Real!]

Indeed it ranked 3rd in nuclear warheads. But look at the hypocrisy of both the Russians and Nato in letting it become an independent non - nuclear state, with guarantees for it's security. In reality it has to built it's own security, so all it's left is who will be selling them weapons. It's always the same old story...

Ukraine is too dumb to remain independent, just as Cyprus was too dumb to be independent and ended up losing 37% of territory. Ukraine has already lost Crimea but despite this they’re hell-bent on losing some more!

Ah well…

So why didn't Malta, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Egypt etc etc lose any territory?

Cyprus and the Ukraine have something in common… they have a powerful neighbor that dwarfs them and feels threatened by their internal affairs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Indeed it ranked 3rd in nuclear warheads. But look at the hypocrisy of both the Russians and Nato in letting it become an independent non - nuclear state, with guarantees for it's security. In reality it has to built it's own security, so all it's left is who will be selling them weapons. It's always the same old story...

Ukraine is too dumb to remain independent, just as Cyprus was too dumb to be independent and ended up losing 37% of territory. Ukraine has already lost Crimea but despite this they’re hell-bent on losing some more!

Ah well…

So why didn't Malta, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Egypt etc etc lose any territory?

Cyprus and the Ukraine have something in common… they have a powerful neighbor that dwarfs them and feels threatened by their internal affairs.

Same is true for Finland who in fact lost 11% of it's territory to the Soviets.
She got it back later by playing the independence card cleverly.

https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-winter-war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

[Pyrpolizer]

As for the myth of RoC having the choice or the right to join Nato may I remind you that a) it had 3 guarantor powers all Nato members presumably having the obligation to protect her b) it did not have an army of it's own c)The National guard was illegal and unconstitutional and d) The only troops allowed by the treaties were 950 Mainland Greek soldiers and 650 Mainland Turkish.

In other words the RoC was under the "protection" of 3 Nato members, without itself having the the choice or right to join Nato, without abolishing the treaties.

[repulsewarrior]

If the Ukrainians were left alone to solve their own Problem, they probably could; where have i heard that before?

...it is well, if some countries as well are neutral, non-aligned. For many reasons beneficial, a buffer and as facilitators of exchange, their value as States (collectively) is far greater, yet their value as a possession is also a significant prize.

NATO and Russia are complicit having Agendas that include the supremacy of one over the other where ever they meet; both are Imperialistic powers in their desires to be always expanding, and in that regard as adversaries: true here.

[Paphitis]

It's clear to me that Russia doesn't want NATO at it's doorstep.
On the NW they have the Scandinavians which are neutral. Then at the NNW they have Latvia and Estonia who already joined Nato hence the Russians already have Nato at their borders (by about 350Km)
On the East there are 2 huge countries Belarus (670 Km border) and Ukraine (1900 Km border!!).
The whole issue is how Russia perceives her own safety. Just like Turkey who imposed a safety buffer zone in Syria, Russia wants to have a safety zone of at least one country between her borders and Nato.

The Ukranians are stupid if the think Russia is ever going to let them join Nato. They most probably are going to pay a huge price for their stupidity. Nato is all about creating real or imaginary enemies, for the purpose of the big sharks among Nato selling weapons to the rest. Problem is the big sharks started cheating on each other as it happened recently with the French submarines contract with Australia.

Come again!

Denmark, Norway, and Iceland are NATO members.

Sweden has applied for membership as well: https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden- ... p-dilemma/

[Paphitis]

Russia is right in not wishing NATO forces at its borders. Enough hypocrisy from the West. There are more than enough NATO member nations allready. When Turkey invaded Cyprus NATO.remained inactive, yet a tiny island was invaded by a NATO country. I would support Russian concerns regardless of being a pro West guy all my life.

Sorry but Russia is wrong.

Ukraine has a right to station NATO Troops and install NATO Air Defence.

The only grey area is if those troops take an offensive stance, which NARTO generally do not do as their clear objective is only to defend the territorial integrity of member states, not invade or attack Russia.

NATO has never threatened Russia with attack or invasion throughout its history.

[Paphitis]

The idea that Any country can do as they wish is laughable. Cuba was not allow Russian missiles and nor can any other American country today.
The real culprit here is the yanks who encouraged the Ukrainians to ask to join knowing it will cause a problem, The deaths that are about to occur are all caused by the yanks.

Turkish intervention is another matter. Prior to that there was a Greek Invasion that overthrew the elected President and installed a puppet regime. Makarios asked for help in the UN and installing a known murderer as President is simply inviting Turkey to intervene. But of course they actually believed their own myths that Turkey either will not be able to intervene or will not be allowed to.

Yes any country can do what they like within their borders as long as they do not break international laws.

[Paphitis]

Germany was among the first who smelled what Nato was all about a long time ago. You wouldn't expect anything less from the brain tank of Europe. When Trump was complaining that "allies" weren't contributing to Nato as much as they should, he was actually referring to Germany. Yet contrary to Germany who was making certain profit from been in Nato and selling weapons, the other "Germans " in Austria had no reason to ever join, hence they never did.
Nato keeps one more specific American secret. Controlling the world's oil resources and forcing the world to buy-sell oil in US$. This allows them to spend as much as they like in stupid wars, while piling trillions upon trillions of dept in meaningless US$, broadcasting to the world a fictitious healthy economy.

You are virtually the only country in Europe that smells something.

You guys better go to the Doctor and check this out.

Please don't tell me that it's because Cyprus is so virtuous and all the other 30 countries that are members are not. CYPRUS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MEMBER FROM 1960. The fact you were not was the biggest fuck up in your history.