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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:25 pm

Lordo wrote:Trade sanctions works both ways. If America sources stuff from elsewhere her people will have to pay the extra cost. This is why the Europeans will take up to 5 years to implement them if at all. I suspect the peace plan will include sanction removal.


Good evening Lordo 8)

Yes, of course. Nevertheless, and for an example, there's been a significant policy change brought about by this invasion. The ole "unintended consequences".

I'm thinking particularly of Russia. Although it could apply equally to the Chinese. Putin's Russia is now perceived as an unreliable energy supplier. I think the Germans in particular have been stung by the accusation that they have inadvertently financed the current Ukrainian tragedy.

I can't quote a source, and don't like to post links - most ignore them anyway, particularly if they might offend their agenda - and people can of course always do their own (unprejudiced) research - Heaven forbid :lol: but, whilst you clearly can't change energy source policy overnight there's been a seismic change in the EU (aka Germany) to move away from Russian oil/gas imports. Ultimately, that's going to hit Russian GDP big time. And, sorry, nothing I've read supports your occasionally expressed view that - it's not a problem, they will simply sell it to somebody else.

So, I suspect China will think long and hard about where it's best interests ultimately lie and come down on the "let's not get too involved" side. This evening's filthy, criminal, lying western media reports of recent changes in the Chinese reporting of the Ukraine invasion seem to bear that out.

As always, time will tell.

It does seem to naive, narrow-minded, can't think outside the box, people like me that Putin has miscalculated on several fronts . And, whatever the outcome, is a bit up the creek without a paddle, sort of thing.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:26 pm

Russia and China are the two countries I feel, the world cannot afford to fuck with…

How Russia’s War in Ukraine Is Choking the World’s Supply of Natural Resources

Russia is a commodities powerhouse, producing and exporting huge amounts of materials the world uses to build cars, transport people and goods, make bread and keep the lights on.
Its invasion of Ukraine is constraining those crucial supplies—or threatening to—as it becomes increasingly isolated from the global economy, driving up prices in the process.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022 ... -shortage/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:34 pm

As always on this particular type of aspect, GR sees it only from a one-sided point of view.

Whilst the buyer might suffer from the lack of product the supplier of course suffers also, not benefitting from the sale.

I invite people to look at the relative countries' GDPs (let me help. Russia's is about the size of Italy) and also to take into consideration the other factors involved. Like - as I believe DT was trying to explain - before GR's "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" revelations popped up - the knock on effects to a country which has been an integral part of the world economy for two decades suddenly finding itself abruptly unplugged.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:47 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Whilst the buyer might suffer from the lack of product the supplier of course suffers also, not benefitting from the sale.


yes but those commodities increased in value, lets take oil for example.

Russia exports half its daily production to the EU that are to be no more. However, the other half will somewhat compensate Russia due to the increase in the price.

The EU will still pay more for oil from wherever they source it from.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:09 am

Wbilst that might seem logical - it isn't as simple (what is?)

https://m.economictimes.com/news/intern ... 999760.cms

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:41 am

Londonrake wrote:Wbilst that might seem logical - it isn't as simple (what is?)

https://m.economictimes.com/news/intern ... 999760.cms

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Even without direct sanctions on its energy industry Russia will lose around one million barrels per day (bpd) in oil exports, according to analyst Jarand Rystad,from the 10.5 million bpd it sold last year.



If they lose 10% from the quantity sold, as long as the price is higher than $110 per barrel, they wont lose a thing.

the price was about $100 per barrel at the time of the invasion of Ukraine.

it is as simple as that.

either way, its negligible at the moment.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:58 am

A funny one but not recent...

Russian pilot draws SOMETHING in the sky over Crimea, pointing into Ukraine.
https://gab.com/ASBMilitary/posts/107980871670512715


Russia Challenges US: If Biolab Documents are Fake Then Ask Head of the DTRA Office at the US Embassy in Kiev Joanna Wintrol Why She Signed Off on Them?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... ol-signed/


Criminal America has a dandy suggestion for Erdo... let's see how he responds! :lol:

U.S. suggested Turkey transfer Russian-made missile system to Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sugges ... 022-03-19/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby DT. » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:36 am

Russian internet joke: “We are now entering day 24 of the special military operation to take Kyiv in two days.”
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:17 am

Is there a single reference to Putin saying he will take Kiev in 2 days or even two weeks?

All I read is western media claiming Putin thought he would take Kiev in 2 days.

Any reference to 2 days comment would be appreciated.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:26 am

Lordo wrote:Is there a single reference to Putin saying he will take Kiev in 2 days or even two weeks?

Well no... but for DT’s intellect the joke is just fine despite the gaping hole! :)
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