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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:32 pm

...where can one see the whole of Putin's speech. Parts of the same speech, and it's horrifying context (if you are not "Russian" but Russian), and the rest is always blahblah; CNN, NBC, etc. not much more than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M24gmj11pQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y7ocgbeQw

...here is another example where a soundbite is stretched to ridiculous proportions; aren't there other soldiers who are having the same experience?

...it implies that there is really very little actual footage, what we are fed is talking heads; these are good examples of "News" because there is a lack of it, if you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00f3YOOYun8
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:44 pm

Lordo wrote:While we are talking Crimea here is Crimean girl singing. It gives you an idea who may also lay claim to it too. She brought the panel to tears.


Nice song, obviously just like Greece, Turkey doesn't have the capacity to make a decent talent show of her own. They had to pay rights to "The Voice", to get one.
Crimean Tatars are only 12% anyway, and obviously speak some kind of Turkish, like the Greeks in Maripoli, Melitoupoli, Odessa etc in Ukraine.
But look at the stupid comments of the type "Ne mutlu Turkum diyene"
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:15 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...where can one see the whole of Putin's speech. Parts of the same speech, and it's horrifying context (if you are not "Russian" but Russian), and the rest is always blahblah; CNN, NBC, etc. not much more than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M24gmj11pQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y7ocgbeQw

...here is another example where a soundbite is stretched to ridiculous proportions; aren't there other soldiers who are having the same experience?

...it implies that there is really very little actual footage, what we are fed is talking heads; these are good examples of "News" because there is a lack of it, if you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00f3YOOYun8


This article from Guardian translates part of Putin's speech correctly.
Start from where it says "Any people, and especially the Russian people,..."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... gei-lavrov
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:17 pm

Meanwhile - back on Earth.

Three weeks ago the majority of the entire Russian army crossed the border and invaded Ukraine. That, despite the fact Putin and his senior acolytes around the globe made repeated assurances it was not their intent. It was all apparently "western propaganda". I've raised that point a few times, to those who go on continually about "the criminal west's lies" but it just gets ignored. That's called "hypocrisy". Of which there is a great deal in this thread.

Anyway, those troops, some from as far afield as Siberia, spent 6 weeks experiencing field deployment conditions in an east European winter. Not easy and a logistical nightmare.

In the 22 days since the invasion, one which it seems was planned to quickly capture the Ukranian government and then be welcomed with open arms by it's people, they've made very poor progress.

There is no "cunning plan" about encircling this or that. The Russians, despite all of their expectations, have experienced and continue to meet entirely unexpected stiff resistance from the Ukranians. Frankly, their progress has been pretty pathetic. Which must be very reassuring to those in the west who have an interest in such things.

I've never had any doubt that the Russians would win in Ukraine. Although, what exactly that means and what their post-occupation expectations are escape me. For them it will likely make the Afghanistan experience seem like a picnic.

Hopefully, realising what a problem they have on their hands now, some sort of face-saving compromise will be found.

I was reading today that the absence of Ukrainian grain on the world markets this year will mean people like us are going to have to pay a lot more for bread. To those living in places like Africa and South East Asia it will mean a lot of deaths by starvation.

IMHO, all to die as collateral damage on the altar of Vladimir Putin's vision of himself as the great Tsarist leader who reclaimed Russia's global pride. :(
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:16 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...where can one see the whole of Putin's speech. Parts of the same speech, and it's horrifying context (if you are not "Russian" but Russian), and the rest is always blahblah; CNN, NBC, etc. not much more than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M24gmj11pQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y7ocgbeQw

...here is another example where a soundbite is stretched to ridiculous proportions; aren't there other soldiers who are having the same experience?

...it implies that there is really very little actual footage, what we are fed is talking heads; these are good examples of "News" because there is a lack of it, if you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00f3YOOYun8

One hospital is hit the news say hospitals are being hit. Next the Defence asshole says health centres are being hit. It is all full of shit. Propaganda at its best.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:34 pm

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Arnie, has always had blind faith in America because it gave him fame and fortune! :roll:

He’s the perfect example of a shallow materialistic fool without any sense of conviction.

But while ignorance is bliss… one should not expect to ever meet God.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:47 pm

I joined Arnie's FB site a year of so ago.

At the time he was deeply involved in a discussion on Republican politics.

I apologised and said that, back in 1967 I was a 17 year old who had a milk-round in the East End of London. On that round was a gym, owned by a guy called Wag Bennet. In those days Arnie was just a young guy who had come over from Austria and was both living at Wag and his wife's place as a lodger, whilst training for the Mr Universe contest at his gym (I think he won).

So, I said that for 50+ years I'd been dining out on the - absolutely correct - claim that "I was Arnie's milkman" :lol: Much to my surprise he gave it a "like". A week later I got another - from Keanu Reeves.

Sorry GR. Yet another "crap" off thread post. But - I think it's funny, anyway. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:09 pm

@ RW and others:
If you are interested for free speech video sites BitChute was my favorite during the pandemic as it was the only one who did not ban videos telling the other site of the story. Youtube did not even let a fly... it was deleting everything.
So this was my first encounter with Bitchute.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fhhNpDM9Ahwf/

Another site hosting thousands of videos from all sorts of media is Rumble. It even hosts RT videos.

This is the latest I watched
https://rumble.com/vxoefr-your-hands-ar ... ocris.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:33 pm

Londonrake wrote:Meanwhile - back on Earth.

Three weeks ago the majority of the entire Russian army crossed the border and invaded Ukraine. That, despite the fact Putin and his senior acolytes around the globe made repeated assurances it was not their intent. It was all apparently "western propaganda". I've raised that point a few times, to those who go on continually about "the criminal west's lies" but it just gets ignored. That's called "hypocrisy". Of which there is a great deal in this thread.

Anyway, those troops, some from as far afield as Siberia, spent 6 weeks experiencing field deployment conditions in an east European winter. Not easy and a logistical nightmare.

In the 22 days since the invasion, one which it seems was planned to quickly capture the Ukranian government and then be welcomed with open arms by it's people, they've made very poor progress.

There is no "cunning plan" about encircling this or that. The Russians, despite all of their expectations, have experienced and continue to meet entirely unexpected stiff resistance from the Ukranians. Frankly, their progress has been pretty pathetic. Which must be very reassuring to those in the west who have an interest in such things.

I've never had any doubt that the Russians would win in Ukraine. Although, what exactly that means and what their post-occupation expectations are escape me. For them it will likely make the Afghanistan experience seem like a picnic.

Hopefully, realising what a problem they have on their hands now, some sort of face-saving compromise will be found.

I was reading today that the absence of Ukrainian grain on the world markets this year will mean people like us are going to have to pay a lot more for bread. To those living in places like Africa and South East Asia it will mean a lot of deaths by starvation.

IMHO, all to die as collateral damage on the altar of Vladimir Putin's vision of himself as the great Tsarist leader who reclaimed Russia's global pride. :(



Nooo!! I replied to you. Never received a response. So who ignored who??? In fact I replied to most of your coments repeated in this post.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:55 pm

Time to pay the piper…

“Cost of living CATASTROPHE: Britain faces double-digit inflation for first time in 40 YEARS”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -soar.html
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