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[Paphitis]

I do not believe that Russia defeating Ukraine is a foregone conclusion either. How they intend to occupy is beyond comprehension. I do not believe Russia has enough troops to occupy and secure the entire country, .

If Russia does invade Ukraine, it does not need to occupy the whole of the country, but just the Capital Kiev and the eastern half of the country. East Germany all over again!

They will still needs hundreds of thousands of troops to occupy Kiev and maintain a bridgehead.

I can’t see how Russia can do that year after year. Eventually, the Russians will be overcome. It will be a slow grinding down into hell, and eventual loss.

Russians won’t know or see their enemy.

Unlike East Germany, Russia would allow Ukrainians on the eastern half of Ukraine to be transplanted to the unoccupied western half, and allow Russia supporting Ukrainians to move to the Eastern half, and then just like Crimea, annex the eastern half of Ukraine through a “democratic” vote.

This is where Cypriots went wrong in 74.

I doubt Ukrainians will do the same. In addition to that, Ukrainians have a proud military history and a history of war such as WW2 where they were more or less on Germany’s side against Russia.

Back then it was a case of Russia’s enemy is our friend. So the hatred of Russia runs deep probably because Russia has had a long history of subjugating Ukraine.

Hence why Ukraine wants to join NATO and put an end to any possibility of Russia meddling in its affairs.

Ukraine has massive stockpiles of weapons and would easily be a worthy opponent to Russia on its own turf and are likely to fight on whilst under occupation either in whole or part.

[Paphitis]

So GR thinks Russia wil get bogged down just like Turkey has right?

No, I don't expect that.

What crossing Russia’s red line exactly means I have no detailed knowledge… it could be the signing of documents, it could be the entry of significant foreign forces, it could be a combination of things.

But what’s for sure is that Russia will never allow the Ukraine to become yet another NATO outpost and only a complete fool would call the bluff of a neighboring country that is like 100 times bigger!

Of course, here in Cyprus we know only too well that fools do exist!

So far the West dare not process the Ukraine’s NATO aspirations; not even a membership timetable is on offer, for they understand Russia’s red lines better than the fool.

The West knows only too well that NATO membership is out of the question but they are hoping to drag Russia into a long-term bloody quagmire at the Ukraine’s expense… for the fool is expendable, but Putin is too experienced in politics to be fooled by amateur buffoons like Biden and Boris.

Russia isn’t 100 times bigger than Ukraine. It has a population of 45 million people.

And the Ukraine military will not be a pushover for Russia neither. You got to remember, the Ukrainians will be defending their turf and are already well prepared and drilled for the inevitable invasion.

So Russia won’t have it all their way and will need to prepare for mass casualties as the Ukrainian military have more troops, more tanks and armoured vehicles and also possess good air defence.

Even if Russia defeat them, the Ukrainians are already preparing for the aftermath. All Ukrainian schools are now teaching all school children how to handle military weapons, right up to manpads and anti armour missiles. That just amazes me. If it’s like that, then it’s not going to be easy or pleasant for Russia.

It isn’t going to be a walk in the park for Russia. Ukraine isn’t exactly a minnow or defenceless. Probably the reason why Russia has not invaded yet but western intelligence are still saying it’s just a matter of when now. In other words, an invasion is inevitable. In such a case, it appears to me that the Ukrainians will bunker down for the long haul. That is plenty for Russia to think about.

An invasion of Ukraine will be a very sad thing for all of us. The possibilities that Russia would be in an endless war with no end in sight are significant and that may be a war Russia won’t win.

And the hatred of Russia will run even more deep. Ukrainians are now in a fight for survival and when you push your opponent into a corner like that in their own country is where the Ukrainians become dangerous.

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian psyche has a fear of Russia emanating from the days they were a part of the Soviet Union hence why Ukraine wants to look westward. It’s their right. If you were a proud Ukrainian, just like you are a very proud Cypriot, you will probably view Russia as the enemy just like we view Turkey as an enemy to Cyprus. Nothing stupid about it at all. Just human nature to want to protect your country from previous historical darkness.

[Maximus]

Russia: We dont have any plans to invade Ukraine. We have serious security concerns, we are returning troops back to base, lets talk about it.
US: We are warning of an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine, any day now, wait for it, its coming, I'm not gonna call ya Pooten.
EU: We have run out of gas.

[Get Real!]

Russia isn’t 100 times bigger than Ukraine. It has a population of 45 million people.

And the Ukraine military will not be a pushover for Russia neither. You got to remember, the Ukrainians will be defending their turf and are already well prepared and drilled for the inevitable invasion.

So Russia won’t have it all their way and will need to prepare for mass casualties as the Ukrainian military have more troops, more tanks and armoured vehicles and also possess good air defence.

Even if Russia defeat them, the Ukrainians are already preparing for the aftermath. All Ukrainian schools are now teaching all school children how to handle military weapons, right up to manpads and anti armour missiles. That just amazes me. If it’s like that, then it’s not going to be easy or pleasant for Russia.

It isn’t going to be a walk in the park for Russia. Ukraine isn’t exactly a minnow or defenceless. Probably the reason why Russia has not invaded yet but western intelligence are still saying it’s just a matter of when now. In other words, an invasion is inevitable. In such a case, it appears to me that the Ukrainians will bunker down for the long haul. That is plenty for Russia to think about.

An invasion of Ukraine will be a very sad thing for all of us. The possibilities that Russia would be in an endless war with no end in sight are significant and that may be a war Russia won’t win.

And the hatred of Russia will run even more deep. Ukrainians are now in a fight for survival and when you push your opponent into a corner like that in their own country is where the Ukrainians become dangerous.

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian psyche has a fear of Russia emanating from the days they were a part of the Soviet Union hence why Ukraine wants to look westward. It’s their right. If you were a proud Ukrainian, just like you are a very proud Cypriot, you will probably view Russia as the enemy just like we view Turkey as an enemy to Cyprus. Nothing stupid about it at all. Just human nature to want to protect your country from previous historical darkness.

I don’t think we need comparison tables for these two because there is no comparison as Russia is not only what they call a nuclear triad they can also attack from space these days!

Also, the Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance at stopping Russia’s hypersonic missile delivery systems… not even the US has an answer for those just yet, and not to mention that Russia has already taken a great chunk off the Ukraine effortlessly.

Furthermore, Russian drone technology alone could blitz the Ukraine and it would be over within a week…

https://www.pronews.gr/sites/default/fi ... k=E5MEAXRG

Anyway, the Ukraine is a better match for Turkey if we were to pair countries of similar military strength.

The problem with all these “military analysts” in the Western media is that they’re fantasizing a WWII style of fight which involves hundreds of thousands of troops and thousands of military vehicles!

But such a confrontation in 2022 is not gonna happen because Russia has superior technology that can guarantee that no Russian blood is spilled.

Only a fool would attempt to push through those Ukrainian defenses at the border; that have been preparing for years, and suffer tremendous losses… and Putin is no fool.

[Paphitis]

Russia isn’t 100 times bigger than Ukraine. It has a population of 45 million people.

And the Ukraine military will not be a pushover for Russia neither. You got to remember, the Ukrainians will be defending their turf and are already well prepared and drilled for the inevitable invasion.

So Russia won’t have it all their way and will need to prepare for mass casualties as the Ukrainian military have more troops, more tanks and armoured vehicles and also possess good air defence.

Even if Russia defeat them, the Ukrainians are already preparing for the aftermath. All Ukrainian schools are now teaching all school children how to handle military weapons, right up to manpads and anti armour missiles. That just amazes me. If it’s like that, then it’s not going to be easy or pleasant for Russia.

It isn’t going to be a walk in the park for Russia. Ukraine isn’t exactly a minnow or defenceless. Probably the reason why Russia has not invaded yet but western intelligence are still saying it’s just a matter of when now. In other words, an invasion is inevitable. In such a case, it appears to me that the Ukrainians will bunker down for the long haul. That is plenty for Russia to think about.

An invasion of Ukraine will be a very sad thing for all of us. The possibilities that Russia would be in an endless war with no end in sight are significant and that may be a war Russia won’t win.

And the hatred of Russia will run even more deep. Ukrainians are now in a fight for survival and when you push your opponent into a corner like that in their own country is where the Ukrainians become dangerous.

There is no doubt that the Ukrainian psyche has a fear of Russia emanating from the days they were a part of the Soviet Union hence why Ukraine wants to look westward. It’s their right. If you were a proud Ukrainian, just like you are a very proud Cypriot, you will probably view Russia as the enemy just like we view Turkey as an enemy to Cyprus. Nothing stupid about it at all. Just human nature to want to protect your country from previous historical darkness.

I don’t think we need comparison tables for these two because there is no comparison as Russia is not only what they call a nuclear triad they can also attack from space these days!

Also, the Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance at stopping Russia’s hypersonic missile delivery systems… not even the US has an answer for those just yet, and not to mention that Russia has already taken a great chunk off the Ukraine effortlessly.

Furthermore, Russian drone technology alone could blitz the Ukraine and it would be over within a week…

https://www.pronews.gr/sites/default/fi ... k=E5MEAXRG

Anyway, the Ukraine is a better match for Turkey if we were to pair countries of similar military strength.

The problem with all these “military analysts” in the Western media is that they’re fantasizing a WWII style of fight which involves hundreds of thousands of troops and thousands of military vehicles!

But such a confrontation in 2022 is not gonna happen because Russia has superior technology that can guarantee that no Russian blood is spilled.

Only a fool would attempt to push through those Ukrainian defenses at the border; that have been preparing for years, and suffer tremendous losses… and Putin is no fool.

The key here is that Russia will not be able to use these weapons, in particular nuclear weapons. That will only provoke a WW3 and a US Strike on Russia. That’s a place the Russians won’t go down.

The war will eventually go street to street, house to house, suburb to suburb. That’s where Ukraine has the advantage with a distinctly sympathetic population that will be against Russian troops on their turf.

[Paphitis]

Russia: We dont have any plans to invade Ukraine. We have serious security concerns, we are returning troops back to base, lets talk about it.
US: We are warning of an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine, any day now, wait for it, its coming, I'm not gonna call ya Pooten.
EU: We have run out of gas.

Russia has not withdrawn troops. It’s probably rotated troops but troop numbers are increasing and numbering anywhere between 100,000 to 130,000. It can invade but that isn’t exactly a force that will be able to occupy Ukraine for any lengthy period.

The regular Ukraine military is far larger, better prepared as it’s much easier to defend than to attack. So all the advantage is with Ukraine. Not to say it won’t be devastating for Ukraine and it’s population. It will be as the Russians will cause great damage to Ukraine and suffering. But Russian casualties will be sky high in the longer term and personally I can’t see Russia maintaining any security or occupation moving forward.

The British Intelligence services are very active in the area and far superior to the US. In fact the US is very much tapped in and getting the majority of their intelligence from the British. It is clear as far as they are concerned that Russia is going to invade. The Russians are already firing at Ukrainian military positions now along the border trying to get the Ukrainian military to respond but the Ikrainians are not responding as Russia is just wanting to create the pretext for invasion,

[Get Real!]

The war will eventually go street to street, house to house, suburb to suburb. That’s where Ukraine has the advantage with a distinctly sympathetic population that will be against Russian troops on their turf.

Why send your young men to bust through formidable defenses, Paphitis?

Just send in the stealth drones and they’ll make light work of Ukrainian military vehicles and establishments!

That’s what I’d do anyway… if I were the commander of the Russian armed forces... and if I intended to invade and occupy.

[Paphitis]

The war will eventually go street to street, house to house, suburb to suburb. That’s where Ukraine has the advantage with a distinctly sympathetic population that will be against Russian troops on their turf.

Why send your young men to bust through formidable defenses, Paphitis?

Just send in the stealth drones and they’ll make light work of Ukrainian military vehicles and establishments!

That’s what I’d do anyway… if I were the commander of the Russian armed forces... and if I intended to invade and occupy.

The ball is clearly in Russia’s court so the west is waiting to see what happens next. They are expecting a full scale invasion.

The west or the US does not need to send its troops and risk its manpower against Russia, not to mention a direct conflict with them. For the west, if things escalate as anticipated, it will be a war by proxy. It will be the Ukrainians who will be defending their country and all the west needs to do is keep supplying them with arms and ammunition and they’ll take care of the rest.

It’s guaranteed now that America will milk this for all its worth for as long as they can. The potential danger for Russia is they will get caught up in a war on foreign land and that is something Russia is not guaranteed to win.

The US will do what it can but it won’t fight the war for Ukraine and put its soldiers up against Russia. It’s clearly so not worth the risk for America. And it’s clearly too risky for them too. Russia isn’t a country you would play Russian Roulette with. And the ramifications for the globe if America were to make such a dumb decision would be dire.

But sending supplies and weapons is a given. Abs it’s fair enough too.

[Maximus]

If you havent worked it out yet Paphitis the US, Uk and blindly followed by the EU are agitating the situation.

They want to fight Russia to the very last Ukrainian and Russia doesnt want to get drawn.

The west talk out of their backsides.

By the way. I am not saying that Russia is innocent in all of this situation.