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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:55 pm

I don't think Biden was being shortsighted about Ukraine. All the Presidents before him took the same calculated risk. They encroached on Russia's borders from all sides in Europe and were hoping that If Ukraine joins Nato too they would take control of the Port in Crimea which would close in the Russia fleet from access to a warm water port.

They calculated that as Russia did not put up a fight to block the rest of the Soviet States from joining Russia, so they must feel weak and unable to take Nato on. When you only listen to advisers which think like you and ignore advice from others who do not, this is the mess you get into.

But never the less it served a useful exercise for the Americans. They were able to sell the Ukrainians all their obsolete armaments although the poor Ukrainians were led to believe that this was aid when sooner or later the price was going to be declared. They have also established the strength of the Russian military and not a single American has been killed in the process. Now that is a good strategy on the part of the Americans.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:01 pm

Lordo wrote:I don't think Biden was being shortsighted about Ukraine. All the Presidents before him took the same calculated risk. They encroached on Russia's borders from all sides in Europe and were hoping that If Ukraine joins Nato too they would take control of the Port in Crimea which would close in the Russia fleet from access to a warm water port.

They calculated that as Russia did not put up a fight to block the rest of the Soviet States from joining Russia, so they must feel weak and unable to take Nato on. When you only listen to advisers which think like you and ignore advice from others who do not, this is the mess you get into.

But never the less it served a useful exercise for the Americans. They were able to sell the Ukrainians all their obsolete armaments although the poor Ukrainians were led to believe that this was aid when sooner or later the price was going to be declared. They have also established the strength of the Russian military and not a single American has been killed in the process. Now that is a good strategy on the part of the Americans.

I think you’re even more shortsighted than Biden! :)

Here’s a summary of all the damage Biden has caused the West…

• NATO’s very existence is in question and on a ventilator.
• The formerly iron-clad Western alliance is now in tatters.
• NATO’s aspirations and investments in Ukraine have been permanently destroyed.
• The West has both demilitarized and de-funded itself after 3 years of nonstop support for the failed Ukraine.
• The notion of superior Western weaponry has been shattered.
• The Dollar and SWIFT mechanisms have been bypassed by major players including Russia, China and India.
• Russia has rendered Western sanctions ineffective by securing new and bigger markets for their trade.
• Iran has significantly improved its firepower and defenses thanks to an improved military relationship with Russia, and ditto for N.Korea.
• Russia and China have formed the closest alliance they have ever enjoyed.
• Russia has expanded its territory further west!
• America’s goal to weaken China is now unattainable.

In fact everything that could go wrong for the West has gone wrong... it’s what they call a cluster-fuck!

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https://apnews.com/article/state-depart ... b62bf46582
https://diplomaticinside.com/2025/03/13 ... nd-europe/
https://apnews.com/article/nato-us-euro ... 3179e6b391
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:06 pm

An interesting interview of the retired Turkish Admiral Cem Gurdeniz, covering most aspects of Turkey’s region and surroundings…

“NATO is now a zombie alliance. It exists more as a myth than a functional military bloc. Its expansion has been reckless. Its operations – from the Balkans to Libya to Ukraine – have destabilised entire regions, and its credibility is collapsing.”

https://thecradle.co/articles/blue-home ... -its-knees
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:31 pm

The super-corrupt propagandist Daily Mail which reported three years ago that...

1. Putin is dying of cancer

2. Russians have run out of bombs about 10 times over

3. That Zelensky was marching all the way to Moscow

...and countless other crap, finally swallows hard and admits the bitter reality:

“Surprise country with world's best-performing currency is revealed”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ealed.html


No surprises here dumbarse, it’s an old story:

“Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukr ... ioms-2022/

And remained the strongest in 2023, 2024 and now 2025!

Another of Biden’s calamities!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed Apr 16, 2025 3:54 pm

Get Real! wrote:The super-corrupt propagandist Daily Mail which reported three years ago that...

1. Putin is dying of cancer

2. Russians have run out of bombs about 10 times over

3. That Zelensky was marching all the way to Moscow

...and countless other crap, finally swallows hard and admits the bitter reality:

“Surprise country with world's best-performing currency is revealed”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ealed.html


No surprises here dumbarse, it’s an old story:

“Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukr ... ioms-2022/

And remained the strongest in 2023, 2024 and now 2025!

Another of Biden’s calamities!


You're not being fair. Trump's been helping out a lot just recently.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:51 pm

Londonrake wrote:You're not being fair. Trump's been helping out a lot just recently.

In Trump’s defense…

The Trump administration was sensible enough to reach out to Russia in the hope of an alternative route to never-ending war.

It was indeed sensible of them to want to count their losses and move on… which is what infuriated the stubborn protagonist Europeans leading to the West’s current schism.

That Trump hasn’t exactly ended this war as he should’ve is indeed a sticking point and that’s where his lack of foreign policy skills has failed him.

He foolishly assumed that there could be a happy medium for all… but that is never the case when it comes to war… the West would either have to accept the Ukraine’s loss of the four states in question or continue down the same path to liberate!

There never was a third option as Trump seemingly assumed.

Britain, France and Germany are perhaps still under the impression that the liberation of the Ukraine and the destruction of Russia are still doable, but they are very much mistaken just as they were mistaken the previous three years of predicting pretty much the same… year after year!

Sadly, it is their own financial destruction (and possibly military) that they are oblivious to as a superpower can never be defeated for they will always have the final word!

For the sake of the argument, even if the Europeans were to muster such phenomenal firepower that they push Russia back to their borders… Russia would be pissed off and most likely unleash tactical nukes putting an end to such an adventure… so what’s the point in delaying the inevitable, Europe?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:40 am

You’ve always talked about Putin using nukes in an offhand, matter-of-fact way - and the workings of a Dictator’s mind are anybody’s guess. Nevertheless, I suspect the first desperate detonation of a nuclear weapon would signal game over for him. Something I’m sure the old fox will be well aware of. Apart from possibly Chubby Chops his current support base, like the target(s), would evaporate instantly, whilst reaction from the West certainly wouldn’t be the sort of muted scuttling away you seem to envisage.

You obviously have enormous faith in Russia’s military capabilities. TBH, it comes across as akin to religious zealotry (and as equally pointless arguing with). Despite, nothing that’s happened during the past 3 years supports the view that they would be a credible match for just about any of the major NATO members individually, let alone if they’re working in concert.

Putin’s best bet probably is - and has been for some time - to batten down the hatches and wait for Western support for Ukraine to wither on the vine.

Even with that I don’t think their “victory” would bear any resemblance to Putin’s original vision. Moreover, it would take a very long time for Russia to recover from its manpower losses, the economic costs to the population and its trashed international reputation.

Sorry, I’m interfering with your daily “good news for Russia” posts. 3 years, one month and 3 days after 190,000 of their troops crossed the border to occupy Ukraine, whilst they’re actually currently engaged in combat in the Motherland.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:56 pm

Misc. articles...

Beijing Halts Rare Earth Exports
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/3099 ... ectors.htm

Ukraine's Parliament Votes To Prolong Martial Law
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/1 ... artial-law

Ukraine could lose Kyiv to Russia
https://rmx.news/article/ukraine-could- ... h-general/

Ukrainians Blame Zelensky for Sumy Strike
https://sputnikglobe.com/20250414/ukrai ... 72077.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm

Londonrake wrote:You’ve always talked about Putin using nukes in an offhand, matter-of-fact way - and the workings of a Dictator’s mind are anybody’s guess. Nevertheless, I suspect the first desperate detonation of a nuclear weapon would signal game over for him. Something I’m sure the old fox will be well aware of. Apart from possibly Chubby Chops his current support base, like the target(s), would evaporate instantly, whilst reaction from the West certainly wouldn’t be the sort of muted scuttling away you seem to envisage.

You obviously have enormous faith in Russia’s military capabilities. TBH, it comes across as akin to religious zealotry (and as equally pointless arguing with). Despite, nothing that’s happened during the past 3 years supports the view that they would be a credible match for just about any of the major NATO members individually, let alone if they’re working in concert.

Putin’s best bet probably is - and has been for some time - to batten down the hatches and wait for Western support for Ukraine to wither on the vine.

Even with that I don’t think their “victory” would bear any resemblance to Putin’s original vision. Moreover, it would take a very long time for Russia to recover from its manpower losses, the economic costs to the population and its trashed international reputation.

Sorry, I’m interfering with your daily “good news for Russia” posts. 3 years, one month and 3 days after 190,000 of their troops crossed the border to occupy Ukraine, whilst they’re actually currently engaged in combat in the Motherland.

On the contrary, Russia has proven to be the only true superpower on the planet as it is engaged in six different theaters simultaneously (Europe, ME, Africa, Antarctica, Asia) while keeping your 40+ alliance of cowards at bay and bankrupting them into obscurity. :)

And while all this is happening, Russia launches satellites and nuclear submarines faster than the West can change shirts!

Having made the world’s most populous nations their staunch allies and customers, Russia won’t be running out of cash or options anytime soon mate...

https://interestingengineering.com/mili ... ic-missile

https://thedefensepost.com/2025/03/31/r ... b-missile/

https://gizmodo.com/russian-satellite-t ... 2000586128

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/puti ... sea-power/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:38 pm

As bad as Biden and the previous presidents were they at least pretended and paid lip service to International law and order unlike Tramp who has managed to isolate America which will eventually lead to their collapse.

BRICKS here we come.
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