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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:34 am

Welcome back GR...

An excellent summary in two posts...

Agree with almost all of it... My understanding is also that the mineral deposits have been over-stated... I think it is a face-saving measure to end the war by Trump...

Rare Earths actually aren't that rare - the US has plenty but doesn't extract them because of environmental concerns...
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:57 pm

Thanks fellas... :)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:59 pm

Why doesn’t a united powerful Europe just defeat Russia in Ukraine with boots on the ground?

Some people on the Internet argue that Russia should not be a problem for a united Europe to defeat (economically and/or militarily) because the Russians have a very small economy the size of Italy they say, and a much smaller population than that of Europe!

Well on paper both these statements are correct…

Populations: 450 million > 146 million
Economies: 18 trillion > 2.5 trillion

But just like in football what’s on paper doesn’t necessarily translate into a win in real life!

Here are the reasons that prevent the common sense from above from prevailing:

Over the centuries the West has created incredibly complex and expensive governmental systems that employ countless staff providing them with a healthy income at the cost of ever-increasing inefficiency.

As an example let’s suppose for a minute that we’re at war and in urgent need to increase main battle tank production!

In the UK as an example, such a proposal would have to get passed around to 4-5 different governmental chambers for approval and the proposal would be going back and forth for a few months before finally getting approved if successful.

And that’s just for the approval part… never mind getting the actual tank factory to actually produce more units by the given date and at the same price! And let’s not forget the unions who won’t hesitate to block any mandatory employment over the weekend!

By comparison, Putin just picks up the phone and directly ORDERS the tank making factory to increase production by the end of the week. God forbid if the tank factory manager fails his country by not delivering… everything revolves around nationalism!

Such a stark difference in efficiency translates to MONEY!

What costs the Russians $1 to produce would probably cost the West between $15..$20 due to the West’s slow and debilitating bureaucracy, corruption (kickbacks etc), and other obstacles making it slow, costly and inefficient.

Therefore, when comparing the economies between Russia and a European country one would be wise to divide the GDP of the European counterpart by a number between 10 and 20 to get a more realistic picture!

Add to that Russia’s self sufficiency thanks to their abundance of raw materials and a damn good state manager at the helm by the name of “Vlad”, and you’ve got one hell of a fighting machine!

So good luck to the United European Front... they’ll need it!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:02 pm

I forgot to post a relevant link of the European buffoons getting itchy for war!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ummit.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:24 pm

We have a business man running the US and a Human Rights lawyer the UK. What could possibly go wrong? :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby RichardB » Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:24 pm

And, a warm welcome back from me also GR. Just been thinking since you've been away I've retired, moved back to Nicosia, drank approx 4500 cans of Keo and posted maybe half a dozen times on 'Lordo's Blogspot' (formerly known as the 'Cyprus Forum'.... How time flies when you're having fun eh ki
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:44 pm

Londonrake wrote:We have a business man running the US and a Human Rights lawyer the UK. What could possibly go wrong? :lol:

I don’t know if you guys read about Trump switching off certain satellite services over the Ukraine yesterday, rendering some of the more complex US weapons that rely on such a service useless (ie: Patriot/ ATACAMS /etc)

Well the problems don’t end there… it’s now been revealed that Britain’s nuclear capabilities also relied on this same satellite service that’s now been switched off!

And here was Starmer today warming up with his Euro-mates to engage a foe that has thousands of nukes ready to go!

This whole thing has turned into a bloody circus! :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:47 pm

RichardB wrote:And, a warm welcome back from me also GR. Just been thinking since you've been away I've retired, moved back to Nicosia, drank approx 4500 cans of Keo and posted maybe half a dozen times on 'Lordo's Blogspot' (formerly known as the 'Cyprus Forum'.... How time flies when you're having fun eh ki

Good to see you too Ricardo... same here I've retired early... but same house... same wife... etc! :)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:31 pm

Welcome back GR but you do realise that short version of Ricardo is KaKa right? I do not understand with this obsession with what Lordo does. Lordo is what Lordo does. I do not interfere in your posts unless I find them objectionable so why don't those who do not like my posts go fuck yourselves.

Europe was very cozy with Russia with the Russians supplying cheap energy to the Europeans and the Yanks having managed to cut off cheap energy supplies from Russia and replacing them with American corporation's energy now we find that the Yanks are going to get friendly with Russia.

Very nice indeed. And the Europeans rather than taking action to get back with trading with Russia, they are cutting their budgets to increase their arms and I bet they will be buying them from America too.

What a world we live in.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:01 pm

Lordo wrote:Welcome back GR but you do realise that short version of Ricardo is KaKa right? I do not understand with this obsession with what Lordo does. Lordo is what Lordo does. I do not interfere in your posts unless I find them objectionable so why don't those who do not like my posts go fuck yourselves.

Ignore this ungrateful bunch Lordo… imagine if you weren’t posting… there’d be cobwebs everywhere from the looks of this eerie place!

And just you wait till times get really hard in the EU Lordo, and Admin introduces a “pay per view” policy!

They’ll have to have their credit cards ready each time they click to reveal your posts!

That’ll teach ‘em…
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