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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:02 pm

The ridiculously hysterical British press now has a date, a time, and even the scale of “imminent” invasion! :lol:

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby miltiades » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:24 pm

Where the fuck do they, Brits and Americans, get this information from. I hope our resident ...General is not spreading misinformation. It appears to me that the West is itching for a bloody war. I just hope that , for the sake of humanity, they pull back from the abyss.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:00 pm

Both Bien and Bozo need to detract the attention of the public fromtheir real problems hence war talk.

This is not the firstr time or the last this has been done and wars started. Like the Malvinas war for instance.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:00 am

miltiades wrote:Where the fuck do they, Brits and Americans, get this information from. I hope our resident ...General is not spreading misinformation. It appears to me that the West is itching for a bloody war. I just hope that , for the sake of humanity, they pull back from the abyss.



The world is already at the abyss and it’s not in Cyprus interest.

The abyss is when a big country uses it’s might as a right, to take over another smaller country or bully it from making sovereign decisions - such as joining EU or NATO.

Turkey, has the right to challenge Cyprus and bully it, invade and take over. That’s the abyss.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:08 am

In addition, the west has no choice but to support Ukraine. If Russia invade, the will be under strict economic sanctions.

I do not believe that Russia defeating Ukraine is a foregone conclusion either. How they intend to occupy is beyond comprehension. I do not believe Russia has enough troops to occupy and secure the entire country,

I believe firmly that Ukraine will defeat Russia. It will not appear like that in the beginning, but if Russia try to occupy Ukraine, then Ukraine will become Russia’s Vietnam.

In the end, Ukraine will prevail but it will be hard fought.

I saw a documentary where the Ukrainian military are arming school children as guerillas. If that is the case, Russia has already lost.

And all the Americans need to do is keep supplying them with arms and Russia is bogged down in war for the next 10 years.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:30 am

Paphitis wrote:
And all the Americans need to do is keep supplying them with arms and Russia is bogged down in war for the next 10 years.


The west will fight Russia to the very last Ukrainian.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 19, 2022 12:29 pm

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
And all the Americans need to do is keep supplying them with arms and Russia is bogged down in war for the next 10 years.


The west will fight Russia to the very last Ukrainian.


I use to go out with a Ukrainian girl many moons ago. Very proud people with a distinct heritage.

When a country goes under occupation, then yeh, it’s till the last person. It’s the West’s responsibility to provide any support they can, either through sanctions or arms.

If they do not, then it’s a green light to big fish eat little fish. A free for all for might is right.

A green light for Turkey to take Cyprus. For Australia to take Tavulu or East Timor. And so on and so on.

But nevertheless, I have a feeling this isn’t going to go Russia’s way. They need a decisive victory but how they can control and secure Ukraine is just beyond me.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:28 pm

interesting how stupis idiots fall for western media crap.

So it seems Ukraine has sovereign rigts to d as it pleases.

I wonder if they felt the same about Iran back in 1953 when America overthrew an elected leader or Cuba with the bay of pigs. How about when Cuba invited Russia to set up a base in Cuba, did America say it is Cuba's right to do as she pleases.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:56 pm

Lordo wrote:interesting how stupis idiots fall for western media crap.

So it seems Ukraine has sovereign rigts to d as it pleases.

I wonder if they felt the same about Iran back in 1953 when America overthrew an elected leader or Cuba with the bay of pigs. How about when Cuba invited Russia to set up a base in Cuba, did America say it is Cuba's right to do as she pleases.

Like fuck?


There is a Russian Base in Cuba, and Russian troops. There is never any question from the US that Cuba isn’t a sovereign country and that the US has any legal grounds whatsoever to invade or occupy the country unless it directly threatens US security. The mobilisation of nuclear ballistic missiles would constitute such a dire threat.

The US never got in the way of Iran either or threatened to invade or occupy it. Iran did what it wanted to do without US interference. And to this day, Iran is free to do what it pleases as long as they do not threaten or act out on their threats against a US ally, Israel. If they do, then it will mean war.

Ukraine does not pose a security threat to Russia. They can never invade Russia or even constitute a force to come close to match Russia’s might.

Yes of course. Ukraine, like any other country like Malta or Cyprus is sovereign. They have the right to join the EU. They have the right to join NATO. No country can be threatened or bullied by a stronger country. Or be invaded. By allowing it to occur, then we set the precedence that it can occur elsewhere.

In other words, little states like Cyprus can only exist if approved by its bigger more powerful neighbours. That Turkey has a right, due to its might. That is not the world the UN can condone by any means.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:59 pm

Paphitis wrote:I do not believe that Russia defeating Ukraine is a foregone conclusion either. How they intend to occupy is beyond comprehension. I do not believe Russia has enough troops to occupy and secure the entire country, .


If Russia does invade Ukraine, it does not need to occupy the whole of the country, but just the Capital Kiev and the eastern half of the country. East Germany all over again!
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