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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:59 pm

Londonrake wrote:Well, there’s a big surprise:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... -in-prison

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Well there you are! Just like MH17 ..... the West knows who did it without any investigation. :roll:

The cause of death had not been established, the penitentiary service said. Last year Navalny was treated in hospital after complaining of malnourishment and other ailments due to mistreatment in prison.


It is obvious that even if his death is found to be due to natural causes ........ Putin will be blamed.

Western reaction was swift, as top officials from the US and Europe accused the Kremlin of causing Navalny’s death. “His death in a Russian prison and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that Putin has built,” the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said. “Russia is responsible for this.


Do you have an updates on Julian Assange you can share with us? He is held in Belmarsh, a bleak Victorian high security prison, in solitary confinement and in terrible conditions with some of the worst criminals in the UK ....... and he has not even been found guilty of any crimes. All he did was release information of proven US war crimes .......... which he cannot be deported for from the UK to the US as it is considered in UK Law as a political offence. Don't you just love this 'Rules based society'?

He is just a journalist and the last I heard Assange’s medical condition was very poor and he was probably going to go the same way as Navalny.

The old ‘Holier than thou’ syndrome from the UK politicians as usual :roll: ...... Cameron has just given his opinion on SKY! :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:21 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Well, there’s a big surprise:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... -in-prison

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Well there you are! Just like MH17 ..... the West knows who did it without any investigation. :roll:

The cause of death had not been established, the penitentiary service said. Last year Navalny was treated in hospital after complaining of malnourishment and other ailments due to mistreatment in prison.


It is obvious that even if his death is found to be due to natural causes ........ Putin will be blamed.

Western reaction was swift, as top officials from the US and Europe accused the Kremlin of causing Navalny’s death. “His death in a Russian prison and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that Putin has built,” the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said. “Russia is responsible for this.


Do you have an updates on Julian Assange you can share with us? He is held in Belmarsh, a bleak Victorian high security prison, in solitary confinement and in terrible conditions with some of the worst criminals in the UK ....... and he has not even been found guilty of any crimes. All he did was release information of proven US war crimes .......... which he cannot be deported for from the UK to the US as it is considered in UK Law as a political offence. Don't you just love this 'Rules based society'?

He is just a journalist and the last I heard Assange’s medical condition was very poor and he was probably going to go the same way as Navalny.

The old ‘Holier than thou’ syndrome from the UK politicians as usual :roll: ...... Cameron has just given his opinion on SKY! :roll:


:lol: That gave you an intro and - go on, admit it - a bit of relief from the boredom which has become endemic on this forum. No? That is, unless you're a fan of the daily "Swinecunt" stuff? :wink:

Well, I posted an article, one of many, announcing the death of Alexei Navalny. I'm assuming we can at least agree upon that event? The man was - yet another - thorn in Putin's side and at one time a serious focus of anti-Putin sentiment. He's been through what I find an amazing series of clearly trumped up charges, leading to a number of accumulating convictions (not to mention an assassination attempt) and moved around various jails, from pillar to post as a result. His health has been deriorating for some time and - despite that - he ended up in a pretty grim Siberian jail (very Solzhenitsyn), within the Arctic circle. His demise comes as no surprise to me. An incredibly brave man, who I suspect will one day be regarded widely as such in Russia.

I'm sure that any investigation will completely absolve Putin of responsibility in the matter. As did the one carried out into the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin. What possible reason would such a clearly humanitarian man have for precipitiating such dictatorial savageness? Sarc aside, can you really imagine absolutely any "investigation" in Russia concluding that Putin was in any way at all responsible for the event? I would say I can't believe you'd place any trust in such an exercise. But have been around long enough to know differently. :D *****


What actually happened to MH17 came out in a detailed, extensive report compiled over a 14 month period by a multi-national team. Principally the Netherlands, whose aircraft it was of course. You can read it! But why on Earth would you want to? Four Russians were indicted and three sentenced to life imprisonment in absentia by the Hague court. The sort of conclusion which, if it pertained to Israel in Gaza you would be wielding as a Holy Grail, shouting it from the rooftops. You know, a bit like UN edicts and International Law. They depend on whether you agree with them or not, sorta thing. If you do they're sacrosanct. If not they're clearly absurd and to be discounted.

Assange has no parallel to this. Pure Whataboutism. As an aside though. When I lived in Knightsbridge we were actually neighbours for a few years. The Ecudorian embassy being just next door. In there of course he self incarcerated for a period of 7 years. I thought at the time he would probably have been better off going to Sweden to face the music. A country famous for it's offering refuge to individuals subject to political litigations. Silly boy. I also remember reading articles from a number of people who worked for/with him. Mostly females. The general consensus being he was a Jimmy Saville type and very much up his own ass. I doubt though that they will try to poison him or send him to the North Pole to expire. By natural causes of course. :wink:


***** Perhaps you can think of one. Over a period of about 15 years though I really can't recall a single occasion where you have had absolutely anything negative to say about something that has come from Putin, Khameini, Xi Jinping or even Kim Jon Un for that matter. On the contrary. You've invariably jumped not only to their defence but have promoted their ideologies and the consequences. I do genuinely wonder what it is you - and some others for that matter - find so intrinsically attractive about totalitarian tyrants. :? Seems to me like it's one hell of a grudge you're harbouring there. :(
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 pm



...an interesting take on immunity.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:48 am

...just yesterday, it seems, he was healthy.



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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:21 am

...and from the horse's mouth.



...an interesting repartee with the Press on this and other subjects.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:10 pm

I really do not see why the West is making so much fuss. When Erdogan blocked Imamoglu from taking part in the Turkish elections, nothing was said or done, worse still when MBS literally cut Kashikci alive into pieces in the embassy in Istanbul, nothing was done. It seems we only object to something if our enemy does it, when it is our friends that do it, nothing is done or said. America has been murdering anybody they perceive against their interests for a very long time. They can shut the fuck up till they learn to behave in a civilised way.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:15 pm

Lordo wrote:I really do not see why the West is making so much fuss. When Erdogan blocked Imamoglu from taking part in the Turkish elections, nothing was said or done, worse still when MBS literally cut Kashikci alive into pieces in the embassy in Istanbul, nothing was done. It seems we only object to something if our enemy does it, when it is our friends that do it, nothing is done or said. America has been murdering anybody they perceive against their interests for a very long time. They can shut the fuck up till they learn to behave in a civilised way.


That of course is very obvious to most people. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:18 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Lordo wrote:I really do not see why the West is making so much fuss. When Erdogan blocked Imamoglu from taking part in the Turkish elections, nothing was said or done, worse still when MBS literally cut Kashikci alive into pieces in the embassy in Istanbul, nothing was done. It seems we only object to something if our enemy does it, when it is our friends that do it, nothing is done or said. America has been murdering anybody they perceive against their interests for a very long time. They can shut the fuck up till they learn to behave in a civilised way.


That of course is very obvious to most people. :roll:

Especially when you consider that the Ukrainian problem started as soon as America helped remove by force the elected President of Ukraine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:23 pm

Londonrake:
That is, unless you're a fan of the daily "Swinecunt" stuff?

I am not a fan of it, which is why I don’t often bother to reply. I am not opposed to the messages and I often agree with Lordo ....... but the way it is presented does not encourage conversation.
Well, I posted an article, one of many, announcing the death of Alexei Navalny. I'm assuming we can at least agree upon that event? The man was - yet another - thorn in Putin's side and at one time a serious focus of anti-Putin sentiment. He's been through what I find an amazing series of clearly trumped up charges, leading to a number of accumulating convictions (not to mention an assassination attempt) and moved around various jails, from pillar to post as a result. His health has been deteriorating for some time and - despite that - he ended up in a pretty grim Siberian jail (very Solzhenitsyn), within the Arctic circle. His demise comes as no surprise to me. An incredibly brave man, who I suspect will one day be regarded widely as such in Russia
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Just your opinion of course but, yeah ...... just like the UK Authorities and legal system has treated Assange and he has broken no laws in the UK! Navalny’s is on every news channel but did you know that in a few days Assange is due back in Court again? No ... of course not.
I'm sure that any investigation will completely absolve Putin of responsibility in the matter. As did the one carried out into the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin. What possible reason would such a clearly humanitarian man have for precipitating such dictatorial savageness? Sarc aside, can you really imagine absolutely any "investigation" in Russia concluding that Putin was in any way at all responsible for the event? I would say I can't believe you'd place any trust in such an exercise. But have been around long enough to know differently. *****

Your problem is you formulate your opinion and pass judgment based only on the ‘case for the Prosecution’! You do it every time. Have you ever actually considered studying the facts and the defense in these cases? ? No ... of course not because it is all Kremlin propaganda in your book!
What actually happened to MH17 came out in a detailed, extensive report compiled over a 14 month period by a multi-national team. Principally the Netherlands, whose aircraft it was of course.

Actually it was a Malaysian Airlines aircraft not Dutch! The crew and the majority of the passengers (68%) were Dutch most of the others were Malaysians and Australians. But this multi-National team excluded the Malaysians from this inquiry for many months but decided to give the Ukraine team the power of veto on the release of information and evidence. Nothing came out of that enquiry without the approval of the Kyiv Regime. So it was not an independent enquiry at all ...... it was a kangaroo Court ......... a political pantomime orchestrated to make sure the Russians got the blame.
You can read it! But why on Earth would you want to? Four Russians were indicted and three sentenced to life imprisonment in absentia by the Hague court.

Just shows how little reading you do! These ‘charges’ were heavily based on evidence supplied by Ukraine and, when these Strelkov(?) telephone conversations were forensically examined by the Malaysians a year or more later, they were proved to be fake and electronically spliced from several other tapes.
Assange has no parallel to this. Pure Whataboutism.

Really? I will let this lady say what I think:

https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/02/17/crocodile-tears-over-navalny-while-ignoring-assange/

I thought at the time he would probably have been better off going to Sweden to face the music. A country famous for it's offering refuge to individuals subject to political litigations. Silly boy. I also remember reading articles from a number of people who worked for/with him. Mostly females. The general consensus being he was a Jimmy Saville type and very much up his own ass. I doubt though that they will try to poison him or send him to the North Pole to expire. By natural causes of course.

I never liked Assange as a person and you are probably right about him but ........ had he gone to Sweden the Swedes had already done a deal to arrest him and hand him over to the US! That is why he stayed at the Venezualan Embassy, until the government changed in a US backed regime change!
Over a period of about 15 years though I really can't recall a single occasion where you have had absolutely anything negative to say about something that has come from Putin, Khameini, Xi Jinping or even Kim Jon Un for that matter. On the contrary. You've invariably jumped not only to their defence but have promoted their ideologies and the consequences. I do genuinely wonder what it is you - and some others for that matter - find so intrinsically attractive about totalitarian tyrants. Seems to me like it's one hell of a grudge you're harbouring there
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You have a very vivid imagination! Let’s stick to Russia and Putin shall we?

Actually the reason for that is that I have never found any proof that he (or the Russians) are guilty of the things they are accused of as the information has always originated in Kyiv and when it turns out to be a load of BS ...... the MSM doesn’t tell you. In the Ukraine conflict it has been shown time-after-time that it is the US backed Kyiv regime that is behind most of them!

What you seem not to comprehend is that if you look at both the case put up by the Prosecution (The Western Alliance/MSM) and compare that with a multitude of independent sources that gives facts missing from the Prosecution’s case, that then forms the Defense and inevitably tells a different story. That way I get to assess both sides of the story.

Time and time again the MSM races out of the starting blocks with accusations without any facts to support their sensational story! (Just like this Navalny circus!) Some days, weeks and even months later the facts come through the independent sources and the truth comes out. But you condemn anything that you don’t read in the Guardian, as Putin’s lies and Russian propaganda.

That is why you ignore the FACT that the US was behind the Maidan Riots and the Coup in Kyiv in 2014, that started the war, and why you deny the fact that it was the US backed Kyiv regime that supported an eight year civil war, you ignore the fact it was Kyiv backed and fully armed by the US, that attacked first in Feb 2022 and then ignore the fact that Russia LEGALLY responded to that attack under a RTP on behalf of independently declared states of Donetz and Luhansk. I could go on but .......... there is no point.

This is why I don’t post very much.

All these facts, over the years show that, if it was not for the US neither the Ukraine eight year genocidal war on Donbas or the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, would have taken place at all. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:42 pm

Ahh, I could respond to that, point by point, but - forgive the pun, what would be the point? :)

Despite your recent efforts, which I like to think I've inspired, you don't seem to be your old self, post-wise.

I sincerely hope things are OK over there.

Kind regards.
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