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[Robin Hood]

...you can thank Kissinger for your "multipolar world", like his "spheres of influence", it is and was a simple way to divide (and control) 'us'.

...no, it is not Russia's war, it is Putin's war, ("Russians": as he defines Russians), still fighting the same "Cold War" no different to "Them", and, in its most destructive ways.

(he is a wanna be)

Who stated this war; "They" did.

...let's be clear. I am Greek and i am no "Greek". I am just like the Turk i may meet who just like me hates "Turks" and for the same reasons.

...who is this "they'' you talk about if it is not the same "them" that i do; i do not take it well when i am called a "Greek" just because i'm Greek.

I suppose i cannot blame you for what you say, we all live in "Their" mythic reality, but i suggest that you rethink whose "side" you're on and act accordingly.

...and yes, the problem in Ukraine is the same problem in Cyprus, where "Ukrainians" and "Russians" usurp the rights of citizens around them not like them, Ukrainians and Russians.

What is the Problem is more a state of mind indeed, intentions count.

...more accurately the question should be: who throws punches; the answer again is, "Them".

Maybe you should listen to the leader of NATO ........ his message seems to mirror what I said ...... RUSSIA didn't start this war the US did using its NATo friends and partners to help Ukraine wipe itself off the map!

Bombshell: NATO Says “War Started in 2014”. “Fake Pretext” to Wage War against Russia? To Invoke Article 5 of Atlantic Treaty? - Statements of NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg
First published on August 27, 2023 - Author’s Update

On September 7, 2023, Stoltenberg in a presentation to the European Parliament, formally acknowledged that
“the war didn’t start in February last year. It started in 2014.”

This far-reaching declaration confirms his earlier statement in May 2023 to the effect that the Ukraine War“didn’t start in 2022”, “The war started in 2014”.

Speaking on behalf of NATO, what this statement implies is that US-NATO was already at war in 2014. It also tacitly acknowledges that Russia did not “initiate the war” on Ukraine in February 2022.

“The purpose of this is to prevent war” In a twisted irony, in his presentation to the European Parliament, Stoltenberg portrays “the purpose” of the Ukraine war, which has resulted in more than 300,000 casualties as a means “to prevent war”.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-nato-says-war-started-in-2014-nato-war-against-russia-fake-pretext-to-invoke-article-5-of-atlantic-treaty/5828312

[repulsewarrior]

...this "war" started long ago. Be honest.

...let's take it back 90 years for example, when Stalin starved the Ukrainians; a million died.

...not much different today for Ukrainians, eh?

As much as the "Russians" would like to imagine that the Ukraine "belongs" to them, Ukrainians it seems prefer to differ.

...and yes, just like the Problem in Cyprus, "Ukrainians" exist who most certainly are not blameless and like the "Russians" are the bane to the rest of 'our' existence.

[Londonrake]

Actually comparing him with Churchill is very accurate. He was responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths in Chanakkale war, he was also responsible for the death of over 60,000 British Soldiers in France when he invaded and had to bring the soldiers back, and during the evacuation British soldiers were either captured or killed. I suspect this figure is not correct, back at school somehow I remember 200,000 soldiers being killed. I would not put it past the Swine to revise the history. It was Churchill that ordered the bombing of Dresden killing over 80,000 civilians.

The Swine tend to believe Churchill won the war, like hell he did. It was Stalin and the Russian winter that decimated the Nazis. If it was not for them we would all be speaking German now.

That post should be viewed in the context of your having absolutely nothing good to say about anybody. You support nothing and oppose everything because then you don't have to adopt any principals. You are a man completely devoid of integrity.

Your posts are almost universally total misery-fests. IMHO, you're a blight on this forum and I regret not having known you so well back in 2019/20 when you ran away and hid for a year. I would have enjoyed that time so much more.

Your suck up posts seem to ensure that you're ignored rather than treated like the pariah it seems to me you are, allowing you to in essence dominate this forum with your crap.

The Swine tend to believe Churchill won the war.

Clearly, you're talking about the people of Britain. Next post will be telling me I don't understand English and be indignantly ranting about racism. Get it? Of course not. Because you're a fucking idiot.

he was also responsible for the death of over 60,000 British Soldiers in France when he invaded and had to bring the soldiers back, and during the evacuation British soldiers were either captured or killed. I suspect this figure is not correct, back at school somehow I remember 200,000 soldiers being killed. I would not put it past the Swine to revise the history. It was Churchill that ordered the bombing of Dresden killing over 80,000 civilians

WTF are you talking about? Churchill invaded France? Twat. If you tried actually looking into it - Heaven forbid - you would find that about 3500 Brits died at Dunkirk and 13000 were wounded.

Churchill didn't order the bombing of Dresden. I was Air Marshall "Bomber Harris" and part of a 5 year war against Nazi Germany. Who knows - given the 50 million dead in the war, including 6 million Jewish men, women and kids murdered industrially then perhaps" they deserved it". What's the moral difference?

Britain, under Churchill, stood alone for 3 years against the Nazi's. A regime which you clearly have a passing admiration for. Moron.

The Russians lost a lot of people in WW2. About 27 million. It's worth bearing in mind though that in the beginning they made a treaty with Nazi Germany - the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact - where they cooperated. Jointly invading Poland and carving up the Baltic states. It was Hitler's (a man who you and Hood have expressed admiration for in the past) betrayal and invasion of Russia - Operation Barborrossa ( a Special Military Operation? ) which brought that to an end.

Churchill was by no means perfect - who is? Nevertheless, he led Britain for 5 years through the greatest conflict humanity has ever experienced. Against what was the vilest regime in history. A principle leader involved in it's eventual defeat.

FWIW, without allied support, the like of the arctic convoys/lend lease, Russia would probably not have been able to drive the Nazi's back westwards. During the most definitive battle - at Kursk - because Britain had cracked the Enigma codes, the Russians were given full details of Germany's battle plan.

I've resisted saying this before but - really - why don't you just fuck off back to your own country. You depressingly miserable cunt.

[Londonrake]

.for example, when Stalin starved the Ukrainians; a million died.

Estimates vary but a mid range one gives 4 million Ukranians died in what was to become known as the "Holdomor". It was an event entirely brought about by Stalin who did it to enforce the Communist collectivism of Ukrainian agriculture.

The twat know as Lordo - who you throw encouraging bones to (because he's Cypriot of course) has a version where it was all the fault of the US. Funny ole fing.

[Londonrake]

Kicks.

I'm not going to do the multiple quote thing but here's a view based upon my recollection of some or your recent posts. It's "off the top of my head" so a case of E&OE omitted.

There's an election next month in Poland. The agricultural sector, and it's supporters, have a significant vote. So, the current hard line government view on Ukraine selling it's grain locally at their expense is a topical issue.

Add to that Poland has given just about all of it's Soviet era war stocks to Ukraine, plus quite a few more modern weapons such as Leopard tanks, to the point where they have depleted their inventory by about a third, which perhaps explains their reluctance to continue as in the past. Have to add they are rearming significantly with more modern western stuff. Nobody trusts Mr Putin's assurances anymore and the Poles have no desire to find themselves - after 70 years of being under the Russian boot - of going back.

Despite that they are committed to continue supplying the like of ammunition. More importantly, they will remain the main hub for NATO weapons supplying the Ukrainians. Their commitment to supply arms could of course change - depending on the election result. Fickle democracy?

I think your idea that Poland intends to invade Ukraine, to reclaim its historical lands, is somewhere between speculation and wishful thinking. In the light of long standing NATO support for Ukraine how exactly would that work? I think it has far less credibility than the oft expressed view that China is waiting to reclaim its ancient Siberian territory from Russia. Zero.

Your last few post have been very opinionated. I personally have no problem with that but am curious why Hood - who has many times in the past castigated me for offering them rather than "facts" has had nothing to say.

It couldn't surely be because your opinions are the "right" ones? That would be uncharacteristically hypocritical.

[Londonrake]

The denigration of Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been a feature of the propaganda war since the very beginning. IIRC, he's been labelled a lying, trans sexual, coke-snorting, embezzling clown, etc, etc. You can tell when he's lying - his mouth moves. Now - there's an original quip.

Despite, he has been seen many times at the front with his troops. Also, travelling the world to make the case for supporting his country (currently in Canada) addressing the like of the UN.

Conversely, Putin, who walks to work everyday with holes in his shoes apparently, appears to be sticking to safety. Seen, to me quite laughably, sitting at the end of a 30' table talking to Macron. An apparent lightening visit to Mariupol for a quick photo PR event. Otherwise adhering to the safety of the Kremlin and recently Vladivostok

As far as getting rid of corrupt members of the Ukrainian elite is concerned. How many of Putin's entourage has found itself out of favour - dead, imprisoned or exiled? How many generals have been demoted? Ask Prighozin and Berezovskii.

Russia, IMHO, has for 20+ years been run by an ex-KGB minor bureaucrat, inherent Slavic thug, acting the part of a Mafia Capo.

[Kikapu]

Kicks.

I'm not going to do the multiple quote thing but here's a view based upon my recollection of some or your recent posts. It's "off the top of my head" so a case of E&OE omitted.

There's an election next month in Poland. The agricultural sector, and it's supporters, have a significant vote. So, the current hard line government view on Ukraine selling it's grain locally at their expense is a topical issue.

Add to that Poland has given just about all of it's Soviet era war stocks to Ukraine, plus quite a few more modern weapons such as Leopard tanks, to the point where they have depleted their inventory by about a third, which perhaps explains their reluctance to continue as in the past. Have to add they are rearming significantly with more modern western stuff. Nobody trusts Mr Putin's assurances anymore and the Poles have no desire to find themselves - after 70 years of being under the Russian boot - of going back.

Despite that they are committed to continue supplying the like of ammunition. More importantly, they will remain the main hub for NATO weapons supplying the Ukrainians. Their commitment to supply arms could of course change - depending on the election result. Fickle democracy?

I think your idea that Poland intends to invade Ukraine, to reclaim its historical lands, is somewhere between speculation and wishful thinking. In the light of long standing NATO support for Ukraine how exactly would that work? I think it has far less credibility than the oft expressed view that China is waiting to reclaim its ancient Siberian territory from Russia. Zero.

Your last few post have been very opinionated. I personally have no problem with that but am curious why Hood - who has many times in the past castigated me for offering them rather than "facts" has had nothing to say.

It couldn't surely be because your opinions are the "right" ones? That would be uncharacteristically hypocritical.

Oh LR, why do you insist of being a twat with some of your above comments?

Facts are part of history, something which has already happened. If RH gets annoyed for someone not using facts, is because they are not using facts but bending the truth or complete lies to fit their narrative. That is separate from having a conversation with opinions on issues that may have historical connections to facts. Sometimes we make posts based on foresight or intelligent guess. Just because something did not already happened, it does not mean it won’t, or else the conversation will be redundant, as in “stating the obvious” when everything said are only facts!

Many countries have claimed historical land back after many years. Didn’t the Jews claim Israel to be their ancestral land going back almost 2,000 years?

[Lordo]

This is a perfect example of a Swine. Zulefki critises the Polish Prime Minister regarding wheat exports via Poland which have been stopped and the Swine calls on Zulefkis to stop insulting Polish People. This also equally applies to fascists. They do exactly the same thing. We have several such people here. Every time a leader or a government is critisied, they see it as an attack on their people.

I suspect short attention span issues are involved.

You guys are lucky at least he tries to debate with you, with not much success admittedly. Elsewhere he has given up debating, he just attack the person posting.

Worthless shit is what comes to mind.

[Lordo]

Anyway back to Ukraine. This news is not good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66898029

Ukraine war: US to give Kyiv long-range ATACMS missiles - media reports

The war in Ukraine is about to expand both geographically and in ferocity.

Gawd help us all.

[Robin Hood]

...this "war" started long ago. Be honest.

...let's take it back 90 years for example, when Stalin starved the Ukrainians; a million died.

...not much different today for Ukrainians, eh?

As much as the "Russians" would like to imagine that the Ukraine "belongs" to them, Ukrainians it seems prefer to differ.

...and yes, just like the Problem in Cyprus, "Ukrainians" exist who most certainly are not blameless and like the "Russians" are the bane to the rest of 'our' existence.

In reality a war starts when the shells start falling and there is combat. Using the basis of your comment the whole World has been at war since Adam and Eve!

Whether you accept it or not the FACTS say THIS war started when a unelected government, with US backing, decided to put down by military means those that did not want them as their government . ...... and Kyiv sent in their Ultra-Nationalist militia to put them in their place. When Donetsk and Luhansk fought the Kyiv militias to a stand still, Kyiv played along with the Minsk agreement which gave them time to re-arm as Merkel admitted. Then the build up in late 2021 on the Minsk LoC, again assisted by the US, and their attack on Donbas which triggered the Russian response.

Most normal people based on facts would accept that Kyiv started both the War itself and the 24/02/22 escalation when Russia responded to Kyiv's attack on the Donbass.

Russia does not want Ukraine and never did! Ukraine wanted to become independent in 1991 and that's what they got. The trouble was the South/East where most of the Ukraine GDP was generated, objected to being told to cut ties with their historic trading partner Russia and they resisted. Kyiv wanted the South/East because without that region they had nothing ..... but a desire to be Europeans. Yanucovitch would have signed the EU trade agreement ...... that was until he read the small print that made that stipulation part of the deal!