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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:47 am

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:18 pm




In a word, “NO”, it is not good news for Ukraine.

I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action. :wink:

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:45 pm

Poland seems to have had a change of mind when they allowed Ukrainian wheat to be exported to Poland and threaten the Polish farmers income.

So it is self interest that created this situation.

On the other hand if the west does not let up, I see no reason why Belarus as well as a host of other countries joining in on the side of the Russians.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:34 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:https://youtu.be/BPEJHXQKcCE?si=IfVQm62VueuGe7Y5


Globalism, an evil ideology



This war instigated by the neocons in the US state dept and Great Britain, is the beginning of many attacks on Russia.. Globalist have an agenda to end cultures, countries and religions, The Russian Orthodox Church stands in the way of Globalism.. Protestants here in the USA have over 33,000 types or versions on Protestantism.. the Catholics over 1000 versions of Catholicism… these churches change and adapt easily with their environment, and globalist plans are that the tenvironment will change to fit their evil intents..Orthodoxy doesn’t change and has stayed the same for over 2000 years.. hence the attack on Russia.. as for Cyprus and Greece at this point I would characterize them as traitors to Orthodoxy..because they turned their backs on Russia..
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:21 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:https://youtu.be/BPEJHXQKcCE?si=IfVQm62VueuGe7Y5


Globalism, an evil ideology



This war instigated by the neocons in the US state dept and Great Britain, is the beginning of many attacks on Russia.. Globalist have an agenda to end cultures, countries and religions, The Russian Orthodox Church stands in the way of Globalism.. Protestants here in the USA have over 33,000 types or versions on Protestantism.. the Catholics over 1000 versions of Catholicism… these churches change and adapt easily with their environment, and globalist plans are that the tenvironment will change to fit their evil intents..Orthodoxy doesn’t change and has stayed the same for over 2000 years.. hence the attack on Russia.. as for Cyprus and Greece at this point I would characterize them as traitors to Orthodoxy..because they turned their backs on Russia..

Nooooo they do not want that. They just want to control the whole world and then suck their blood like a parasite would without killing them.

This whole war was started to isolate Russia and gradually after bringing all the countries around her under their control to finally take over Russian economy too.

They certainly do not care for the environment or the affect they are having on all living things. Profits is their motive and they would sell their own mothers for a few quid. Their religion is just money and so long as the religion does not threaten their interests they will take no action against them. A bit like the Ottomans did back in the day. They got the Churches to collect the taxes and it all run very well for hundreds of years. Until one rises against them. This is nothing new, it has been going on for thousands of years. The Romans used to claim they will civilise the barbarians and then slaughter anybody who objected to their rule. There nothing new here, same ideology just different ideolog.

Who would have guessed that we would agree on anything Oceanside?

Which reminds me of the this song.

Gavur imam isyani. Sang by may friend Hamza.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm

Kikapu wrote:I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action. :wink:

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!


I believe there's an alternative and - dare I say - more rational perspective on that? Even - in this surely most intolerant of subjects on a notably intolerant forum - a quite civilised one.

For now though, it seems the ideologues have possession of the thread. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:42 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action. :wink:

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!


I believe there's an alternative and - dare I say - more rational perspective on that? Even - in this surely most intolerant of subjects on a notably intolerant forum - a quite civilised one.

For now though, it seems the ideologues have possession of the thread. :wink:

But you can't actually explain what your 'alternative' rational perspective is ...... as usual? :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:04 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action. :wink:

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!


I believe there's an alternative and - dare I say - more rational perspective on that? Even - in this surely most intolerant of subjects on a notably intolerant forum - a quite civilised one.

For now though, it seems the ideologues have possession of the thread. :wink:

But you can't actually explain what your 'alternative' rational perspective is ...... as usual? :roll:


See what I mean? :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:11 pm

They have two choices which must both include a condition. The condition is either way Ukraine does not join Nato,

1. Eastern Ukraine is allowed to vote for what they want.
2. Ukraine stays united but the eastern Russian speakers have autonomy over their own living arrangements with no interference from the rest of Ukraine or is allowed to join Russia, subject to the results of the vote.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:20 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I see the role of Poland a bit sinister in this matter than what it may seem on surface. Poland always claimed Western part of Ukraine as its own. First, the Poles helped the Ukrainians to engage in a war with Russia, and after Russia has destroyed most of the Ukrainian military forces, Poland is getting ready to move into Ukraine to claim what it’s hers with very little resistance from the Ukrainians. In effect, Ukraine will have two fronts to fight, three if Belarus too joins the action. :wink:

When all it’s said and done, there will be very little left of Ukraine as I see it!


I believe there's an alternative and - dare I say - more rational perspective on that? Even - in this surely most intolerant of subjects on a notably intolerant forum - a quite civilised one.

For now though, it seems the ideologues have possession of the thread. :wink:


Yes but, there is also this to ponder over. When most EU countries are refusing to send military age Ukrainian men back to Ukraine to be conscripted to the military and certain death, requested by Zelensky for their return, Poland is willing to send back around 150,000. The question is, why? Is it because Poland doesn’t want these men in the country causing problems if it makes the move to take part of Western Ukraine, or is it better for the Russians to kill them and for their women and children to remain in Poland as Poles?
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