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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:54 pm

Even at the point of a loss, nuclear was is not an option, not while both sides have it. If anything the threat of it will stop war staring between parties to begin with but it is a hell of a very expensive unusable deterrence.

Is it not cheaper not to interfere with anothers' interests and if so settle it like humans by talking?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:20 am

...strategically, to strike at the heart of NATO, the attack will be planned meteorlogically, so that the winds will fall on Washington DC.

Such madness is suicidal; as a result 'we' will all live in rubble and radioactive waste: what would Putin care if it came to this legacy and "them" being dead?

...indeed intentions have a lot to do with it.

One would think that he has grown tired of palaces, and things, that he has turned his mind to substance, the ideals of his past, beyond "Them" and "This" instead.

...so it is with the Problem wherever it appears: 'We' are the People of the planet Earth as Individuals who stand united to defend the Universal Principles that define our Freedom as equals, and as Peoples and Persons the Liberty to represent themselves as majorities who respect and trust each other providing for the minorities that live among them. What is a BBF? (...so too with Ukraine's problems.)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:30 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:At about the 10th minute he starts discussing the claim that Russia presumably has 300K troops waiting at the back. He doubts that, as I personally doubt it too.(Link above). The only valid point I found so far.
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I do not find it improbable that Russia has 300K reserve troops for a country which has about 140 Million. They may not all be stationed and all in one place to be spotted. Just to make the comparison, Switzerland has about 9 million population, 2 million being immigrants who are not citizens, which leaves about 7 million Swiss citizens. Of the 7 million, there are about 100K standing army and about 50K in reserves at all time. Not too bad for a country which consider themselves as being “neutral”. Using Switzerland as a template, Russia can have up to 2 Million standing army and 1 million reserves if needed. Russia has a lot more men that they can tap into than Mr. Rebuttal has stated in the video Warrior posted. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:41 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...strategically, to strike at the heart of NATO, the attack will be planned meteorlogically, so that the winds will fall on Washington DC.

Such madness is suicidal; as a result 'we' will all live in rubble and radioactive waste: what would Putin care if it came to this legacy and "them" being dead?

...indeed intentions have a lot to do with it.

One would think that he has grown tired of palaces, and things, that he has turned his mind to substance, the ideals of his past, beyond "Them" and "This" instead.

...so it is with the Problem wherever it appears: 'We' are the People of the planet Earth as Individuals who stand united to defend the Universal Principles that define our Freedom as equals, and as Peoples and Persons the Liberty to represent themselves as majorities who respect and trust each other providing for the minorities that live among them. What is a BBF? (...so too with Ukraine's problems.)

Why do you assume that it would be Putin/Russia that would start a nuclear conflict?

Putin has said that if the US/NATO present a serious threat to Russia he WILL use nuclear weapons! But who does Russia actually threaten? How many Russian Military bases are there world wide? How many US Military bases are their worldwide?

List of Russian military bases abroad

This article lists military bases of Russia abroad. The majority of Russia's military bases and facilities are located in former Soviet republics; which in Russian political parlance is termed the "near abroad".

In 2003, Kommersant newspaper published a map of the Russian military presence abroad.[3] In 2018, it was reported that Russia operates at least 21 significant military facilities overseas.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20it%20was%20reported,21%20significant%20milita

How Many US Military Bases Are There in the World?

There are roughly 750 US foreign military bases; they are spread across 80 nations! After the U.S is the UK, but they only have 145 bases. Russia has about 3 dozen bases, and China just five. This implies that the U.S has three times as many bases as all other countries combined. Quite astonishing if you ask us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20military,UK)%20%E2%80%93%20Ascension%20Is

Just a thought ...... how many of them are within say 1000 miles of mainland USA? :?:

Now just applying simple common sense, given those statistics ....... and the US's reputation for organising coups or invading other nations either directly or through proxies, who do you see as the greater military threat to other countries? :roll:

This is another side to the argument .........

http://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2023/09/03/us-officials-keep-boasting-about-how-much-the-ukraine-war-serves-us-interests/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:06 am

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:At about the 10th minute he starts discussing the claim that Russia presumably has 300K troops waiting at the back. He doubts that, as I personally doubt it too.(Link above). The only valid point I found so far.
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I do not find it improbable that Russia has 300K reserve troops for a country which has about 140 Million. They may not all be stationed and all in one place to be spotted. Just to make the comparison, Switzerland has about 9 million population, 2 million being immigrants who are not citizens, which leaves about 7 million Swiss citizens. Of the 7 million, there are about 100K standing army and about 50K in reserves at all time. Not too bad for a country which consider themselves as being “neutral”. Using Switzerland as a template, Russia can have up to 2 Million standing army and 1 million reserves if needed. Russia has a lot more men that they can tap into than Mr. Rebuttal has stated in the video Warrior posted. :wink:


Actually Russia has 1.2M on active duty and 2 million reserves. Reserves are ex-conscripts who completed their military service but still show up every now and then for refresh training. The higher the age limit for reservists, the bigger the reserves.

However here we are not talking about THESE reserves. We are talking for the 300K reservists that were called up during the mobilization.The claim is that the actual number was higher partly because there were too many volunteers. So assuming the number was 500K, 200K reinforced the battlefields and there are still another 300K waiting at the back who will be used when Ukraine runs out of everything. However there is no evidence that such a big number is there.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:43 pm

Natasha interviews Ritter.
Interesting that Natasha is Ukrainian,
and asked questions from viewers as well as from Ukrainian Media.
Tells a lot of how Ukrainian people are kept in the dark about the war in Ukr.
Note: It's time consuming because everything is translated to and from English/Russian

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:50 pm

The 4th mobilization in Ukraine since last October. Now they take people by force from factories, work places, cafes, bars, bus stations, supermarkets, even storm up their homes at night.

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 9/14-3.mp4
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:19 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:The 4th mobilization in Ukraine since last October. Now they take people by force from factories, work places, cafes, bars, bus stations, supermarkets, even storm up their homes at night.

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 9/14-3.mp4


Do you get the feeling sometimes that the war in Ukraine is not designed to defeat Russia, but to defeat Ukraine itself?

I know that is a strange question, so let me explain.

Now, this is not what I came up with, but someone else did about 6 months ago as a written response to an article in RT news.

That person said, that “Ukraine is trying to get rid of their citizens by either leaving the country as refugees or as dead, so to create a “new Israel” in Europe where it can be part of the EU.”

Zelensky being Jewish himself as well as the great support Israel gets from the USA, not to mention Israel already possesses Nuclear weapons so it doesn’t need to join NATO officially, it might not be far fetched in this persons reasoning to turn Ukraine into “new Israel”, a massive Jewish State. Who knows, they might even solve the Palestinian/ Israeli issue in the Middle East as a byproduct, by giving most of the “old Israel” land back to the Palestinians in a two state solution.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:40 pm

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:50 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:The 4th mobilization in Ukraine since last October. Now they take people by force from factories, work places, cafes, bars, bus stations, supermarkets, even storm up their homes at night.

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 9/14-3.mp4


Do you get the feeling sometimes that the war in Ukraine is not designed to defeat Russia, but to defeat Ukraine itself?

I know that is a strange question, so let me explain.

Now, this is not what I came up with, but someone else did about 6 months ago as a written response to an article in RT news.

That person said, that “Ukraine is trying to get rid of their citizens by either leaving the country as refugees or as dead, so to create a “new Israel” in Europe where it can be part of the EU.”

Zelensky being Jewish himself as well as the great support Israel gets from the USA, not to mention Israel already possesses Nuclear weapons so it doesn’t need to join NATO officially, it might not be far fetched in this persons reasoning to turn Ukraine into “new Israel”, a massive Jewish State. Who knows, they might even solve the Palestinian/ Israeli issue in the Middle East as a byproduct, by giving most of the “old Israel” land back to the Palestinians in a two state solution.


Let's just keep that for the record. Who knows what will be the future of Ukraine after this war is over? Most likely it will be sold out to western Corporations...Notice the Lease/rent agreement under which Ukraine gets (?) weapons from the USA will still be payable. The west claims all weapons provided so far were not on Lend/Lease terms, but rather totally free, but that remains to be verified after the war is over.
What is happening right now (Re: Natasha in the previous video) is the selling of Ukrainian lives very cheap.
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