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[Lordo]

Pyrpo I think you mean turn against himself rather than the State. The proof is the fact that he destroyed the ones who were loyal to Yeltsin as soon as he got power. As to the downing of the plane, they all had a motive. Once it is known exactly what was used to carry out the deed, then it will become clearer as to who may have done it.
My instinct says CIA not for what he did but to implicate Putin.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrpo I think you mean turn against himself rather than the State. The proof is the fact that he destroyed the ones who were loyal to Yeltsin as soon as he got power. As to the downing of the plane, they all had a motive. Once it is known exactly what was used to carry out the deed, then it will become clearer as to who may have done it.
My instinct says CIA not for what he did but to implicate Putin.

Did he? Please provide a link. As far as I know it was Yeltsin who got him to power, it wasn't some kind of political struggle between the two, so there were no Yeltsin loyal to turn against him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50807747

[Pyrpolizer]

Presumably the plane was an Embraer Legacy 600 made in Brazil.
So there shouldn't be a problem examining the Black box as Brazil is a friendly country to Russia.

[Lordo]

Pyrpo I think you mean turn against himself rather than the State. The proof is the fact that he destroyed the ones who were loyal to Yeltsin as soon as he got power. As to the downing of the plane, they all had a motive. Once it is known exactly what was used to carry out the deed, then it will become clearer as to who may have done it.
My instinct says CIA not for what he did but to implicate Putin.

Did he? Please provide a link. As far as I know it was Yeltsin who got him to power, it wasn't some kind of political struggle between the two, so there were no Yeltsin loyal to turn against him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50807747

This article covers it quite well. Perhaps I phrased the point badly. What I should have said was those people who gained their wealth under Yeltsin and refused to be friendly with him.

In the 1990s, Abramovich became the protégé of Boris Berezovsky, who was probably the least stealthy oligarch. Berezovsky had a big mouth. In 2000, he made the mistake of openly challenging a new president by the name of Vladimir Putin, someone Berezovsky had played a big role in helping to get elected president. When Putin threw down the hammer, Berezovsky was forced to flee Russia — and Abramovich, a staunch (and tight-lipped) Putin loyalist, took over much of Berezovsky's oil and media empires. Berezovsky remained a vocal Putin critic after moving to London. He was found dead there in 2013, hanging from a noose in his bathroom. Investigators are divided on whether it was suicide or murder.

With the exception of Abramovich and a few other notables, the cast of characters comprising Russia's oligarchy has been largely replaced since the 1990s, after Putin began purging oligarchs and anointing his own oligarchs in an effort to fortify his reign. However, the power structure remains the same. It's a symbiotic relationship in which the oligarchs' economic power buttresses the political power of the Russian president, and the president's power buttresses the economic power of the oligarchs — like a medieval king getting tribute from his aristocracy in exchange for his protection. It's an arrangement that the West is now fighting to disrupt.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/22/1087654279/how-shock-therapy-created-russian-oligarchs-and-paved-the-path-for-putin

[Pyrpolizer]

In the 1990s, Abramovich became the protégé of Boris Berezovsky, who was probably the least stealthy oligarch. Berezovsky had a big mouth. In 2000, he made the mistake of openly challenging a new president by the name of Vladimir Putin, someone Berezovsky had played a big role in helping to get elected president. When Putin threw down the hammer, Berezovsky was forced to flee Russia — and Abramovich, a staunch (and tight-lipped) Putin loyalist, took over much of Berezovsky's oil and media empires. Berezovsky remained a vocal Putin critic after moving to London. He was found dead there in 2013, hanging from a noose in his bathroom. Investigators are divided on whether it was suicide or murder.

With the exception of Abramovich and a few other notables, the cast of characters comprising Russia's oligarchy has been largely replaced since the 1990s, after Putin began purging oligarchs and anointing his own oligarchs in an effort to fortify his reign. However, the power structure remains the same. It's a symbiotic relationship in which the oligarchs' economic power buttresses the political power of the Russian president, and the president's power buttresses the economic power of the oligarchs — like a medieval king getting tribute from his aristocracy in exchange for his protection. It's an arrangement that the West is now fighting to disrupt.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/22/1087654279/how-shock-therapy-created-russian-oligarchs-and-paved-the-path-for-putin

OK now I see what you mean. Don't forget though that this is a western interpretation. Which actually tries to explain the oligarchy in Russia using the Western system of plutocracy. That's how US and most Western officials and Presidents come to power... In other words it portrays the Russian system as some -nearly identical- variant of the Western plutocracy system.
However there is a very striking detail in the article: The oligarchy system was inherited by Putin, and it was the result of corruption of western & Russian crooks in collaboration after USSR's collapse.
Putin had no other option other option than let it continue or else the state would go bankrupt. Is the system a plutocracy though? Well if it were a plutocracy like the US, then the Russian factories would reject the demand to increase production of ammunition 10 fold, like they refused in the US.
Imo the system also takes care of the people as well. Did you know how Putin revived Crimea. He assigned the Russian mayors of most wealthy cities to finance it from their own revenues.

[Lordo]

I normally read between the lines on Western media. The fact that shines through is that he replaced all existing ones with people loyal to him and left just a few of the old ones that were there before he came to power. How they got there when the USSR collapsed and their relevance to the state we have differences in.

I wonder if Yeltsin was the one that shut down the USSR and Gorbachev was the Russian State President at the time, would they have suffered the same fate?

I would like to believe the outcome may have turned out different.

[repulsewarrior]

...lots of suspects.

...beside the theory that he is still alive.

[Pyrpolizer]

The end of the Western hegemony. Results of BRICS summit

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy ... argentini/

[Lordo]

Has the old boy been identified yet? There is a some news reports going around that whilst his name was on the list he was not actually in the plane.

[Robin Hood]

Has the old boy been identified yet? There is a some news reports going around that whilst his name was on the list he was not actually in the plane.

Putin has said he was on that flight! I would say then that Putin has the evidence he was.

Those were not 'news' reports you refer to they were speculation ........ and I think from both sides.

The Russians will research the crash site and then publish a report.