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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:

...interesting; around twenty minutes, an opinion based on facts, rich with sound and images (sometimes too much of it imo), another take on Putin's motives, and his mission to that end.

The arguments are quite compelling.


Actually Warrior, the arguments are quite bullshit to say the least. :roll:

If Putin’s intentions on Ukraine and rest of Europe was as described by the presenter, then Russia would have gone into Ukraine with a million+ Army. He did not. :wink:

As far as the explanation on NATO for “not moving an inch further East“ was nothing but a semantical gymnastics, would be like saying Russia did not invade Ukraine but was in fact an invitation by Ukraine for Russia to be in Ukraine, which would be more factual in many levels starting with the Minsk accord of 2014 which was on paper between states and not just between politicians, than the broken promises on the expansion of NATO to the East. When dealing in bad faith, whether it is verbal or in written form, both are actionable legally and morally. Some go through the courts for justice and some take the law into their own hands to get justice!.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:37 pm

Kikapu wrote:Actually Warrior, the arguments are quite bullshit to say the least. :roll:



RW looked very convincing and I was about to watch it. No watch after this verdict. :wink: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:55 pm

This is incredible. Listen to what Trump would do today to end the war in Ukraine. If it was not so serious he would be fuckin funny.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:47 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Actually Warrior, the arguments are quite bullshit to say the least. :roll:



RW looked very convincing and I was about to watch it. No watch after this verdict. :wink: :lol:


I was referencing the presenter with his bullshit by giving a backhanded slap to the well meaning and justifiable smart people like Chomsky, with their support for Putin/Russia against the collective West. Presenter basically crapping on them, for them being fooled by Putin’s supposed shenanigans in his reasons for attacking Ukraine. The presented wants to give the allusion that he is fair to the audience, but he is basically doing a “bait & switch” routine. A typical fast smooth talking “shell game” scam artist! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:39 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Actually Warrior, the arguments are quite bullshit to say the least. :roll:



RW looked very convincing and I was about to watch it. No watch after this verdict. :wink: :lol:


...you should be more open minded, judge for yourself.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:05 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Actually Warrior, the arguments are quite bullshit to say the least. :roll:



RW looked very convincing and I was about to watch it. No watch after this verdict. :wink: :lol:


Presenter basically crapping on them, for them being fooled by Putin’s supposed shenanigans in his reasons for attacking Ukraine.


Problem is even people like me who was not following Putin, did come across his efforts and numerous proposals in the years before Feb 22, to resolve the problem . Actually I didn't know what the problem really was.
However I was really amazed how his every proposal was turned down in 2021, and I told myself "look how much the Americans ridicule him, Russia/Putin is pathetic".

I guess this presenter, like many others of his kind, target people who are either totally ignorant, or already brainwashed, or just old school anti-communist equating today's Russia with communism. :shock:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:24 pm

Lordo wrote:This is incredible. Listen to what Trump would do today to end the war in Ukraine. If it was not so serious he would be fuckin funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx96T5lwoKI[

"Today" was one year ago. His most recent plan would be to end the war in a week by "ordering" both Russia and Ukraine to compromise. When asked what he will do if they don't, he said he will send more weapons. :!: The man is equally a joke to Biden. If any of the 2 gets elected, then so be it, that's what the American sheep deserve.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:17 am

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:00 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vULxpAQambY


I do follow Napolitano's channel plus a few more but I can't catch up. :oops:
Well just to clarify a few things:

The new strategy of the Ukrainians is NOT what Ritter says. The new strategy (applied a few weeks ago) was to throw in small groups of plain infantry without using armored vehicles trying to establish small bridgeheads usually in forests. There are 2 reasons for that:a)Armored vehicles proved too easy and juicy target for the Russians b)The Ukrainians can't afford to lose more because that's bad for their image to their western suppliers. The new strategy actually failed with lots of human losses. Because a small bridgehead can't be enlarged or maintained with infantry alone. Sooner or later they'd have to bring in the mechanized forces, so they'd be back to square 1.

What Ritter actually describes is the fact that the Ukrainians started using their last strategic reserves, something that supposedly should have done after penetrating the Russian defense lines. So far they have not even reached the first defense line...This started a few days ago in the area around Robotino. Not only Ritter but also others talk about it. Now the question is are these strategic reserves really their last ones?? Not sure.The fact is they did manage to get half of Robotino village.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:09 pm

According to BILD Ukrainian Army lost 31 armored vehicles of NATO for a village



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