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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:25 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Russian Naval supremacy in the Black Sea has evaporated, and now their commercial traffic, in oil, wheat, and in supplies for their outposts in Syria for example have become that much more complex.

...such as it is the Russians are on an equal footing with the Ukraine.

...and such as it is no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.


So you think Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Turkey will accept this?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:56 pm

Total Russian container volume on the Black Sea in H1 2022 has shrunk by 7.7 percent year-on-year, while laden volume has dropped by 11.1 percent. Certain global shipping lines have been rapidly decreasing their activities since March 2022 in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


Presumably if it is down by 7% they can increase the trade through the Baltic Sea which.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:04 pm

It is not so easy. Port facilities are a big factor, and most run at high capacities to maximise their profitability, if they have the required facilities at all.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:12 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:Russian Naval supremacy in the Black Sea has evaporated, and now their commercial traffic, in oil, wheat, and in supplies for their outposts in Syria for example have become that much more complex.

...such as it is the Russians are on an equal footing with the Ukraine.

...and such as it is no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.


So you think Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Turkey will accept this?


...if it was up to them, no; but this is war.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:05 pm

Lordo wrote:
Total Russian container volume on the Black Sea in H1 2022 has shrunk by 7.7 percent year-on-year, while laden volume has dropped by 11.1 percent. Certain global shipping lines have been rapidly decreasing their activities since March 2022 in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


Presumably if it is down by 7% they can increase the trade through the Baltic Sea which.


Basically, it’s all about oil.

In the absence of any significant pipeline capacity the Russians have been shipping a lot of their oil to India and China via the Black Sea.

Look at a map and you will understand why the Baltic isn’t an option.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:22 pm



...just 'cause i like this guy.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:10 am

Why the lies about the war in Ukraine! :twisted:

It will take a big man who is anti Russia to watch this! :wink:


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:28 am

Kikapu wrote:It will take a big man who is anti Russia to watch this! :wink:


Not me then. I’m 5’ 2” and have never harboured any expectations of a Ukrainian (military) victory. Actually, for a while now, none of a Russian one either.

We’ve all fundamentally become losers in this fiasco.

Although, I suppose it depends upon your interpretation of “victory”, which seems to me to be a very subjective thing. :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:20 pm

Kikapu wrote:Why the lies about the war in Ukraine! :twisted:

It will take a big man who is anti Russia to watch this! :wink:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FygBixBG7E0


If the US Secretary of Defense wasn't knowingly lying under oath to the Congress, then how would our resident 292038 ® know the magnitude of his nonsense ? :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:32 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:Russian Naval supremacy in the Black Sea has evaporated, and now their commercial traffic, in oil, wheat, and in supplies for their outposts in Syria for example have become that much more complex.

...such as it is the Russians are on an equal footing with the Ukraine.

...and such as it is no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.


So you think Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Turkey will accept this?


...if it was up to them, no; but this is war.


Let me remind you that you correctly said "no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.' This includes the Countries I mentioned, which ARE NOT part of the war.
So why should those countries, accept getting harmed by Ukrainian actions, that harm not only Russia, but themselves as well?
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