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[repulsewarrior]

...a second drone strike at sea,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9b9vYpNTA

...and while it is a civilian target, a sanctioned ship, staffed and crewed by Russians, chartered by the Russian military.

[Kikapu]

In order to begin talks, first a ceasefire has to be declared by both sides.

Erdogan has already offered to facilitate the peace process. Zalizmenos said without total Russian withdrawal, there is no point talking peace.

Somebody needs to talk some sense into the cunt.

No, it doesn’t.

At this stage the whole idea is - whatever’s being said for public consumption - there are no pre-conditions being laid down.

Conversely, Putin has insisted that those parts of Ukraine he has seized are irredeemably Russian - in perpetuity.

Perhaps both cunts need a talking to?

Well, the pre condition is that Russia is not allowed to attend so that they could present their sides too!

What Zelensky wants to do during this summit in Saudi Arabia with other countries is to draw them to his side with his 10 points peace plan, for them to jump off the “neutrality fence”, so that they can add pressure on Russia…..at least in theory anyway, with Smoke & Mirrors!

Ukraine won the propaganda war from day one of this conflict, thanks to the Journalist without Integrity cunts in the collective West, which Russia is not going to even try to challenge it because it would be a huge mountain to climb, so instead, they will let Zelensky to bask is another brownie point propaganda victory whilst they continue to destroy the Ukrainian military which is one of Russia’s objectives.

At this point Russia does not need to discuss about peace with Ukraine unless Ukraine capitulates on its demands. The time is on Russia’s side as they are in it for the “long game”. It is Ukraine, NATO and the collective West who would like to see an end as soon as possible in order for them to save whatever face they possibly can from complete humiliation of being defeated by Russia, 1 against 33+.Bookies would have given NATO 1,000 to 1 odds on favorites to win this war (I don’t know much about gambling with odds ), well, at least on paper anyway by using Iraq and Afghanistan as a template, except, NATO is now playing with a challenger from the Big Leagues and not against Amateurs.

Ceasefire would be a very welcome for the collective West as they can then claim “victory” in the face of defeat, by claiming it was Russia who asked for a ceasefire because Russia has lost the war, which is what Biden and his Merry Men of the White House are shouting from rooftops, but no one is listening to them, at least not the none-gullible.

[Lordo]

Nothing else matter in this situation. The paramount thought must be just stop firing. Stand as you are and lets get around the table so we can work out a way where the Russian speakers in the east are allowed to run their lives without a threat from the east.

So here we are suggesting stop the fuckin killings and there are those who pretend they are against killings are keen to carry on killing till certain conditions are met. There are no pre-conditions to stop killing except put the weapons away and fuckin open your mouth and talk.

Is that too much to ask? It could even adhere to the integrity of a single state but in a federal set up. Half the world is using this system. It is perfectly legitimate except for those who want one man one vote so the majority can fuck the lives of minorities

When will these politicians learn from their mistakes.

[repulsewarrior]

...more History; intense and interesting, long at just over an hour.

[repulsewarrior]

...young people (mostly) reply; all the extremes, you decide.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ukraine has a new MoD spoke person.
Another American wonder weapon...

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1687038757583622144

[Pyrpolizer]

...a second drone strike at sea,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9b9vYpNTA

...and while it is a civilian target, a sanctioned ship, staffed and crewed by Russians, chartered by the Russian military.

The private Tanker was insured, so no financial damage to the owner at all.
Ukraine having lost all ability to export or import anything from the Black Sea, especially weapons, tries to impose the same status on Russia. The aim is to force Insurance companies the stop insuring ships entering the Black sea. Will they succeed ? Will they not suffer from retaliatory strikes themselves? Remains to be seen...

[Lordo]

There is an old saying, when you are in a hole, stop digging. I suspect Zalizmenos does not even realise he is in a hole. He believes somehow, somewhere, somebody will come along and save him.

It is an old Jewish thing where they believe that another prophet will come along to save them and they do not recognise any other prophets that have arrived since and they are still wafting. Five thousands years and they still have not given up.

[repulsewarrior]

Russian Naval supremacy in the Black Sea has evaporated, and now their commercial traffic, in oil, wheat, and in supplies for their outposts in Syria for example have become that much more complex.

...such as it is the Russians are on an equal footing with the Ukraine.

...and such as it is no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.

[Lordo]

Russian Naval supremacy in the Black Sea has evaporated, and now their commercial traffic, in oil, wheat, and in supplies for their outposts in Syria for example have become that much more complex.

...such as it is the Russians are on an equal footing with the Ukraine.

...and such as it is no one in the Black Sea will have an easy time of it insuring their ships or cargo.

Does anybody have any figures on the drop of the Russian trade via the Black Sea?

I said at the very beginning that the Drones will play a very important role in this war because of their invisibility to the current search techniques and equipment. How ever but superiority in weapons and manpower which Russia has is very hard to defeat unless the yanks decided to send in a millions troops into this theatre, because they like the 10 to 1 superiority. Unfortunately the Yanks do not have the stomach for a war since Vietnam. They no bomb for distance so they have minimal costs to themselves but they cannot escape the economic downturn in west.