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[Robin Hood]

LR>

Bullshit, as ever. You pick and choose, as suits your partisan views.

My views don’t change unless someone shows me I am wrong. Which will never be the likes of you or your side-kick/mentor Paphitis!

I’ve never regarded you as ex-military. You spent 5 minutes in the Boy Scouts and then another in the TA. Although, despite your boasting, you don’t seem to have a clue - or any practical experience at all - regarding SF training or their role. The idea of you actually knowing anything at all about it is risible. You’re the antithesis of an SF soldier.

Your personal opinion once again! FYI: 1957-1960 (88th) RAF Locking, No1. Radio School ...... got a far better idea of the way bullying and brain washing was implemented than you ever did! SAS (TA) 1963-64 ..... then decided studying to become an engineer was a better job prospect then emulating RAMBO! My last job was as the Lead Inst engineer on a $1.4bn project for a US Corporation in Saudi. Now remind me ..... your last job title was JANITOR in a posh block of flats in Knightsbridge .... I believe.

Which “crap” I’m fed do I apparently believe? WRT you, most of my efforts amount to highlighting the absurdities you promote, aka “crap” (the US blew up the WTC. With the help of Newton of course. How Cyprus, unlike your much beloved Russia/Iran/North Korea, is becoming a “Police state”).

That’s you problem! You ask “what crap?” and the answer is '....all of it' , as you do not have the capacity to analyse the facts, because most of the facts you ignore. Anything that you disagree with is an ‘absurdity’? Then you go off into your own world of absurdities ..... for affect and without substance.

Despite your inflated self opinion, in reality much of what you’ve got up to/said in the past - basically shooting yourself in the foot - shows that actually you’re a bit of an idiot.

Now let’s expose the root of your hatred? You once posted a story about a friend of mine and said that”.... you were both so drunk his wife had to come and pick you both up” ..... but it was a complete distortion of the event ( a lie) ! I found it funny because I had never seen this guy anything like drunk. So I pulled his leg and he was less than pleased that you were spreading lies, got me to prove what I said ....... and he publicly tackled you! He was none too pleased! As usual you tried to bullshit your way out of it and then made matters worse by wrongly accusing ME of deliberately stirring up trouble.

When was that ...... maybe 15+yrs ago ..... and you have never accepted your perception was wrong to this day, completely ignoring the fact it was you that lied. So you perpetuate your vendetta with more lies, distortion and personal opinion!

Happy we finally got to here, after all your efforts? It was your choice.

What are you on about ..... what efforts? What was’my choice’?

Why don’t you just wind in your neck and post on the subject of the thread ..... instead of using threads to spew your dislike of anyone you don’t see eye to eye with. You realy are quite pathetic! You’re a pompous, self opinionated individual who does nothing but criticise others that disagree with you or point out your biases, no wonder the only friend you have on here is Paphitis ...... and he has more lose screws than any other poster.

[Lordo]

Shhhhhhiiiiiit man, now I understand the relationship between Maxi boy and LR. As to Bafidi that cannot be explained except there are both idiots.

[Kikapu]

This war was brought about on the crest of Putin's much lauded success in annexing Crimea. It was expected to be a short lived effort. Now though it's become a trap, amounting fundamentally to a case of Putin's personal survival, and one which it seems to me where he has no obvious way out.

This is where it shows how little you understand regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

When Russia rightfully claimed Crimea back to the Russian Federation by military action, then followed by legal annexation through a referendum by the Crimean residents, Russia then set out to sort out the Ukrainian Nazi Regiment who were murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions, even if it meant to invade the whole of Ukraine which Russia could have done very easily since Ukraine didn’t have much to resist Russia at that time in 2014, until the colluding lying NATO cunts along with Ukraine convinced Putin to create the Minsk Agreements instead of invading Ukraine with the intention for Ukraine to buy time to build it’s military with the help of NATO, which is exactly what they did whilst murdering those in Donbas by the thousands until 2022.

The Ukrainian military build up was not to defend against any Russian future invasion, but to take over the Donbas regions and Crimea, hence the fact why Ukraine never ratified Minsk I or II. However, Russia invaded first to secure regions to protect Crimea and the Sea of Azov before Ukraine was ready to attack Russia to take back Crimea. As Putin stated before, that if there was ever going to be fight, he will throw the first punch, which is exactly what he did before Ukraine and NATO were fully ready to attack, but only as SMO rather than declaring war on Ukraine. The reasons why he never declared war on Ukraine, is only because he did not want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, sorry to disappoint you.

Putin Still doesn’t want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, but the areas that really matter, both for Russia and NATO, the whole of the Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea. With these regions becoming part of the Russian Federation, there will be no Ukraine nation left as we knew it, nor will NATO be ever interested in the remaining parts of Ukraine as a wasteland. The real losers will be the Ukrainians with the empty promises given to them by the collective West that they can win against Russia, or am I obfuscating again?

[Robin Hood]

This war was brought about on the crest of Putin's much lauded success in annexing Crimea. It was expected to be a short lived effort. Now though it's become a trap, amounting fundamentally to a case of Putin's personal survival, and one which it seems to me where he has no obvious way out.

This is where it shows how little you understand regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

When Russia rightfully claimed Crimea back to the Russian Federation by military action, then followed by legal annexation through a referendum by the Crimean residents, Russia then set out to sort out the Ukrainian Nazi Regiment who were murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions, even if it meant to invade the whole of Ukraine which Russia could have done very easily since Ukraine didn’t have much to resist Russia at that time in 2014, until the colluding lying NATO cunts along with Ukraine convinced Putin to create the Minsk Agreements instead of invading Ukraine with the intention for Ukraine to buy time to build it’s military with the help of NATO, which is exactly what they did whilst murdering those in Donbas by the thousands until 2022.

The Ukrainian military build up was not to defend against any Russian future invasion, but to take over the Donbas regions and Crimea, hence the fact why Ukraine never ratified Minsk I or II. However, Russia invaded first to secure regions to protect Crimea and the Sea of Azov before Ukraine was ready to attack Russia to take back Crimea. As Putin stated before, that if there was ever going to be fight, he will throw the first punch, which is exactly what he did before Ukraine and NATO were fully ready to attack, but only as SMO rather than declaring war on Ukraine. The reasons why he never declared war on Ukraine, is only because he did not want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, sorry to disappoint you.

Putin Still doesn’t want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, but the areas that really matter, both for Russia and NATO, the whole of the Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea. With these regions becoming part of the Russian Federation, there will be no Ukraine nation left as we knew it, nor will NATO be ever interested in the remaining parts of Ukraine as a wasteland. The real losers will be the Ukrainians with the empty promises given to them by the collective West that they can win against Russia, or am I obfuscating again?

Exactly!

But LR will never accept that the SMO was actually a success for Russia when it almost completely destroyed the Ukraine military response in the first week! Zelenskey even signed a 'peace deal' and the war would have stopped in less than a couple of months. It was the signing of that deal that prompted the Russians to withdraw from Kyiv and other towns and cities in the North East. It was NOT a rout by Kyiv forces as Zelenskey claimed. And it was Kyiv that carried out the Butcha massacre o Russia 'collaborators'.

But Biden sent his 'dog-of-war' Boris Johnson to threaten Zelenskey with 'consequences' if he even spoke about a negotiated settlement with Russia.

I would only make one correction to your post. It was UKRAINE that attacked first and it was the OSCE SMM Daily Reports on the LoC that proved it. It's all available from the OSCE website as a day-by-day account. The 'Russian threat' when they started the build up of their forces on the border prior to Feb 24 ..... was in response to the Kyiv, US backed. build up and intended as a warning! Kyiv ignored the warning not realizing the Russians already had the US planned operational plan. Biden gave the fact the US knew all abut what Kyiv was planning when he accurately predicted the day Russia would invade! The US knew what the Kyiv plan was ...... THEY were behind it!

Until the people of Ukraine get rid of the US and it's 'Foreign Legions' the war will continue. Maybe Russia will have to do it for them in the end?

[Lordo]

This war was brought about on the crest of Putin's much lauded success in annexing Crimea. It was expected to be a short lived effort. Now though it's become a trap, amounting fundamentally to a case of Putin's personal survival, and one which it seems to me where he has no obvious way out.

This is where it shows how little you understand regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

When Russia rightfully claimed Crimea back to the Russian Federation by military action, then followed by legal annexation through a referendum by the Crimean residents, Russia then set out to sort out the Ukrainian Nazi Regiment who were murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions, even if it meant to invade the whole of Ukraine which Russia could have done very easily since Ukraine didn’t have much to resist Russia at that time in 2014, until the colluding lying NATO cunts along with Ukraine convinced Putin to create the Minsk Agreements instead of invading Ukraine with the intention for Ukraine to buy time to build it’s military with the help of NATO, which is exactly what they did whilst murdering those in Donbas by the thousands until 2022.

The Ukrainian military build up was not to defend against any Russian future invasion, but to take over the Donbas regions and Crimea, hence the fact why Ukraine never ratified Minsk I or II. However, Russia invaded first to secure regions to protect Crimea and the Sea of Azov before Ukraine was ready to attack Russia to take back Crimea. As Putin stated before, that if there was ever going to be fight, he will throw the first punch, which is exactly what he did before Ukraine and NATO were fully ready to attack, but only as SMO rather than declaring war on Ukraine. The reasons why he never declared war on Ukraine, is only because he did not want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, sorry to disappoint you.

Putin Still doesn’t want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, but the areas that really matter, both for Russia and NATO, the whole of the Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea. With these regions becoming part of the Russian Federation, there will be no Ukraine nation left as we knew it, nor will NATO be ever interested in the remaining parts of Ukraine as a wasteland. The real losers will be the Ukrainians with the empty promises given to them by the collective West that they can win against Russia, or am I obfuscating again?

Kiks you cannot take another state's land and then use a referendum to declare it as your own, even if it was held fairly and the vote went that way. Legally speaking it cannot be declared illegal because the UN Permanent Security council will not approve such a motion as Russia will veto it. So clearly it cannot be declared illegal and certainly it was morally correct.

The rest of your post I totally agree with.

[Kikapu]

This war was brought about on the crest of Putin's much lauded success in annexing Crimea. It was expected to be a short lived effort. Now though it's become a trap, amounting fundamentally to a case of Putin's personal survival, and one which it seems to me where he has no obvious way out.

This is where it shows how little you understand regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

When Russia rightfully claimed Crimea back to the Russian Federation by military action, then followed by legal annexation through a referendum by the Crimean residents, Russia then set out to sort out the Ukrainian Nazi Regiment who were murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions, even if it meant to invade the whole of Ukraine which Russia could have done very easily since Ukraine didn’t have much to resist Russia at that time in 2014, until the colluding lying NATO cunts along with Ukraine convinced Putin to create the Minsk Agreements instead of invading Ukraine with the intention for Ukraine to buy time to build it’s military with the help of NATO, which is exactly what they did whilst murdering those in Donbas by the thousands until 2022.

The Ukrainian military build up was not to defend against any Russian future invasion, but to take over the Donbas regions and Crimea, hence the fact why Ukraine never ratified Minsk I or II. However, Russia invaded first to secure regions to protect Crimea and the Sea of Azov before Ukraine was ready to attack Russia to take back Crimea. As Putin stated before, that if there was ever going to be fight, he will throw the first punch, which is exactly what he did before Ukraine and NATO were fully ready to attack, but only as SMO rather than declaring war on Ukraine. The reasons why he never declared war on Ukraine, is only because he did not want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, sorry to disappoint you.

Putin Still doesn’t want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, but the areas that really matter, both for Russia and NATO, the whole of the Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea. With these regions becoming part of the Russian Federation, there will be no Ukraine nation left as we knew it, nor will NATO be ever interested in the remaining parts of Ukraine as a wasteland. The real losers will be the Ukrainians with the empty promises given to them by the collective West that they can win against Russia, or am I obfuscating again?

Kiks you cannot take another state's land and then use a referendum to declare it as your own, even if it was held fairly and the vote went that way. Legally speaking it cannot be declared illegal because the UN Permanent Security council will not approve such a motion as Russia will veto it. So clearly it cannot be declared illegal and certainly it was morally correct.

The rest of your post I totally agree with.

I don’t see any contradiction from what I’ve said and what you’re saying, Lordo!

At worse, Russia can be accused of being an “Indian Giver”, by taking back Crimea from Ukraine which Russia gifted it to Ukraine in 1954 under the Soviet Union umbrella of trusted family of states, then after the 1991 break up of the Soviet trusted family states, Ukraine became the traitor to the state who had gifted Crimea to it, so Russia took it back since the gifted Crimea was to remain with the trusted family states only who are now under the Russian Federation, call it a “family heirloom” if you like, that must always stay in the family no matter what in the event of a divorce. Well, Ukraine has been divorced from the trusted family since 1991, therefore, the “Jewels of Crimea” stays with the Russian Federation no matter who says what!

[Kikapu]

This war was brought about on the crest of Putin's much lauded success in annexing Crimea. It was expected to be a short lived effort. Now though it's become a trap, amounting fundamentally to a case of Putin's personal survival, and one which it seems to me where he has no obvious way out.

This is where it shows how little you understand regarding the conflict in Ukraine.

When Russia rightfully claimed Crimea back to the Russian Federation by military action, then followed by legal annexation through a referendum by the Crimean residents, Russia then set out to sort out the Ukrainian Nazi Regiment who were murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions, even if it meant to invade the whole of Ukraine which Russia could have done very easily since Ukraine didn’t have much to resist Russia at that time in 2014, until the colluding lying NATO cunts along with Ukraine convinced Putin to create the Minsk Agreements instead of invading Ukraine with the intention for Ukraine to buy time to build it’s military with the help of NATO, which is exactly what they did whilst murdering those in Donbas by the thousands until 2022.

The Ukrainian military build up was not to defend against any Russian future invasion, but to take over the Donbas regions and Crimea, hence the fact why Ukraine never ratified Minsk I or II. However, Russia invaded first to secure regions to protect Crimea and the Sea of Azov before Ukraine was ready to attack Russia to take back Crimea. As Putin stated before, that if there was ever going to be fight, he will throw the first punch, which is exactly what he did before Ukraine and NATO were fully ready to attack, but only as SMO rather than declaring war on Ukraine. The reasons why he never declared war on Ukraine, is only because he did not want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, sorry to disappoint you.

Putin Still doesn’t want to occupy the whole of Ukraine, but the areas that really matter, both for Russia and NATO, the whole of the Ukrainian coastline on the Black Sea. With these regions becoming part of the Russian Federation, there will be no Ukraine nation left as we knew it, nor will NATO be ever interested in the remaining parts of Ukraine as a wasteland. The real losers will be the Ukrainians with the empty promises given to them by the collective West that they can win against Russia, or am I obfuscating again?

Exactly!

But LR will never accept that the SMO was actually a success for Russia when it almost completely destroyed the Ukraine military response in the first week! Zelenskey even signed a 'peace deal' and the war would have stopped in less than a couple of months. It was the signing of that deal that prompted the Russians to withdraw from Kyiv and other towns and cities in the North East. It was NOT a rout by Kyiv forces as Zelenskey claimed. And it was Kyiv that carried out the Butcha massacre o Russia 'collaborators'.

But Biden sent his 'dog-of-war' Boris Johnson to threaten Zelenskey with 'consequences' if he even spoke about a negotiated settlement with Russia.

I would only make one correction to your post. It was UKRAINE that attacked first and it was the OSCE SMM Daily Reports on the LoC that proved it. It's all available from the OSCE website as a day-by-day account. The 'Russian threat' when they started the build up of their forces on the border prior to Feb 24 ..... was in response to the Kyiv, US backed. build up and intended as a warning! Kyiv ignored the warning not realizing the Russians already had the US planned operational plan. Biden gave the fact the US knew all abut what Kyiv was planning when he accurately predicted the day Russia would invade! The US knew what the Kyiv plan was ...... THEY were behind it!

Until the people of Ukraine get rid of the US and it's 'Foreign Legions' the war will continue. Maybe Russia will have to do it for them in the end?

We are both saying the same thing, RH. What you say is true, so is Ukraine murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas region long before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, what are "Ukrainians" and what are "Russians"; as Cypriots we should know all about such thinking all too well.

Remember, "These" are dogmas, mythic realities, which as hateful enterprise exclude any thinking or intention which provides a choice other than their own.

...there is no excuse for any of us that have chosen ''sides''. Such plunder must stop, this is clear; Lest we Forget.

The "Ukranians" are gone, defeated because Ukrainians don't fight for "Them''; yet, the "Russians" are left (much like the "Turks" in Cyprus): something to think about.

[Robin Hood]

We are both saying the same thing, RH. What you say is true, so is Ukraine murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas region long before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

Yes we are saying more-or-less the same thing ..... but if you add verifiable FACTS to your post, like the OSCE SMM Reports that cannot be questioned, then people that take up the same pro-US/NATO mind-set as LR/Paphitis do, cannot argue with them. Without noting the basis of the facts any post can be regarded as just opinion.

IMO: The OSCE SMM reports are the key piece of factual evidence that PROVES beyond all doubt that Ukraine backed by the US, escalated the civil conflict and that conflict was in turn also backed logistically and planned by the US/UK and NATO since even before 2014. Russia was not involved directly in that civil conflict to any great extent, until Feb 24.

SO ...... who is the aggressor when you consider all the available proven facts? How can anyone say it is all Russia's fault and that poor Ukraine is an innocent victim of Russian aggression?

[Kikapu]

We are both saying the same thing, RH. What you say is true, so is Ukraine murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas region long before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.

Yes we are saying more-or-less the same thing ..... but if you add verifiable FACTS to your post, like the OSCE SMM Reports that cannot be questioned, then people that take up the same pro-US/NATO mind-set as LR/Paphitis do, cannot argue with them. Without noting the basis of the facts any post can be regarded as just opinion.

IMO: The OSCE SMM reports are the key piece of factual evidence that PROVES beyond all doubt that Ukraine backed by the US, escalated the civil conflict and that conflict was in turn also backed logistically and planned by the US/UK and NATO since even before 2014. Russia was not involved directly in that civil conflict to any great extent, until Feb 24.

SO ...... who is the aggressor when you consider all the available proven facts? How can anyone say it is all Russia's fault and that poor Ukraine is an innocent victim of Russian aggression?

Yes, point made, HR, but we all know that LR/Paphitis et al. do not consider facts in making their “arguments”, but only their prejudices for the collective West and against Russia. They will both require a lobotomy performed on them to let that poison to ooze out or a Colonic hydrotherapy to cleanse their whole body by flushing it out.