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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:32 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...what started this war were the rusty pipes.

Corruption started this war. Those who enjoyed its reward could not be bothered to care for them, wanting more.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/10802054 ... ine-russia

...indeed the fight for a Ukraine independent of Russia actually started in Moscow, 1991.

...had the (gas) pipes in Ukraine been well maintained, would what followed have evolved as they did?

Do you remember Russia stopped supplying gas to the Ukrainians back in Jan 2009?

What ever they had before sorted itself out till America overthrew an elected president and replaced him with a dictatorship back in 2014. You knew from than on this was not going to end well.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:03 pm

...exactly.

Beyond the corruption (ideologically having no bounds) came a man like Zelenskyy, the unlikely candidate who is demonstrating under the circumstances something different ('we' hope).

...long before "Ukes" were genociding Russians in the Donbas, "Orks" were doing the same to Ukrainians; who remembers Stalin.

What is clear is that "They" call them what you like without accountability plunder because they can; such is any Ruling Class having gone too far.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:43 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...exactly.

Beyond the corruption (ideologically having no bounds) came a man like Zelenskyy, the unlikely candidate who is demonstrating under the circumstances something different ('we' hope).

...long before "Ukes" were genociding Russians in the Donbas, "Orks" were doing the same to Ukrainians; who remembers Stalin.

What is clear is that "They" call them what you like without accountability plunder because they can; such is any Ruling Class having gone too far.

Come now RW, that's going too far back. In the mean time Khrushchev gave them Crimea as a gift and he was Ukrainian too.

But Zulefki did promise during his election campaign that he would not seek to Join Nato and as soon as he won he changed his tune.

Crimea does not belong to Ukraine or Russia, it belonged to the Circassian Turks till they were genocided by the Russians and the Ukrainians.

In the meantime enjoy a native Crimean

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:42 am

...and i was waiting for that, in affect true.

Which is why the problem in the Ukraine is, the Problem; a question of Individual Rights, and as Persons having this Freedom, Liberty as well.

...what is a BBF; (and let's remember the USA was the very first)

...what if States defined within them Constituencies, so that these distinct identities work toward integrating themselves into a state of constituencies as one People having Principles and a Rule of Law without further distinction or discrimination as equals, where such Goodwill Persons want to prosper, the same Goodfaith toward the minorities that live among them; countries like the Ukraine, Turkey, (Russia because it already is a BBF), and Cyprus can all benefit from this notion.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:26 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Another demonstration of your gossiping habit. Once it's about RH, now about RW, a few days ago it was about Kikapu who spent 2.5 hrs watching a video I recommended... As a "know it all gossiper" you know everything, so you must know all the above as well.
LOL why do I even bother dealing with you?
I must do something to control my curiosity :!:


That's a typical post from you. Bully boy shite. Attempted shouting down. Do get a life.

I don't know what you mean by "gossiping habit". What I post is my view of the way it is/was. But you don't like views that are apposite to yours of course

RH I will deal with later. Suffice it to say he's somebody who has tried (but failed) on a number of occasions to make my life difficult off-forum, from the safety of his keyboard of course. A despicable and cowardly way to behave. My view is Las Vegas - what's said on forums should stay on forums. And that's a philosophy - unlike him - I have always stuck to.

RW posts a lot of interesting stuff, including a pro-Ukrainian POV. Do you watch it? Really? He doesn't tend to defend his position though. Moreover, he's never dished out any personal aggro nor received any. So, he's tolerated by bully boys like you.

Yes. On the same day Kicks told me he was too busy to reply to a (rare) link I posted. Basically a fairly short and innocuous BBC timeline of the Ukrainian invasion (it was all for gullible idiots apparently), he replied to a 300+ word post of yours with a 2.5 hour video attached saying he'd watched it "in its entirety" and found it "very informative". That's the sort of playing field "discussion" this thread involves. Up asses?

How do I "know everything" WTF are you prattling on about? :?

If you feel your time is being wasted "bothering" with me then don't. Go back to posting mutually pro "Special Military Operation" supporting stuff, congratulating each other, accompanied by lots of back patting. Frankly though, as I have said on numerous occasions, WTF do you want? Because, I really couldn't give a shit about your pompous bullying and can give as good as.


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This is the link (page 950) cyprus47975-9490.html me telling Pyro that I had watched the 2.5 hr video he had posted. I don’t know when he had originally posted this video, so I don’t know when I had watched it from the original posting to when I stated that I had watched it on the date in this link. More to the point, I do not remember what article/video you claimed to have posted on the same day that I was too busy to have read/watch on the tha same day. I cannot find such posting by you. There are other posting by you on pages 951, 952, 953 regarding your complaint about me watching the 2.5 hr video Pyro posted, but nothing about me not having time for me to read/watch something you had posted. Perhaps you can re post it again for me to read/watch it.Thanks.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:52 pm

Kicks why are you feeding this narcistic cunt's thirst for seeking attention complaining that you watched Pypro's clip but not his.

What the fuck is the matter with this cunt?

I suggest he gets a fuckin life, takes is nose out of his arse and smells some clean air. Smelling his own farts is turning his mind into mush. It may improve his mind and posts.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:49 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...what started this war were the rusty pipes.

Corruption started this war. Those who enjoyed its reward could not be bothered to care for them, wanting more.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/10802054 ... ine-russia

...indeed the fight for a Ukraine independent of Russia actually started in Moscow, 1991.

...had the (gas) pipes in Ukraine been well maintained, would what followed have evolved as they did?


The article is from a News Letter service written by someone called Sullivan, expressing her own personal views, in the usual Western misinformation manner. Btw there is not much in the article about "rusted pipes/corruption".

Here are some examples:

Sullivan wrote: After a third vote, Yushchenko prevails.


Quoting President Putin’s own words:What 3rd vote?? That’s prevented by the constitution. IT WAS A COUP!


Sullivan wrote: Just days before it is to be signed, Yanukovych announces that he will refuse to sign an association agreement with the European Union to bring Ukraine into a free trade agreement. He cites pressure from Russia as a reason for his decision.


Clear misinformation. Yanukovych did want to join the EU and turned to Russia for financial support. Russia responded saying, if you wish to join the EU you are free to do it, but we are not going to pay for that. Was that pressure from Russia??? So eventually he did not sign the agreement with the EU, simply because they did not have the money to implement it. However he did not turn it down either. He said we have to postpone it.


Sullivan wrote: In late February, violence between police and protesters leaves more than 100 dead in the single bloodiest week in Ukraine's post-Soviet history.


Another misinformation. The Maidan revolution started totally peaceful, as a demonstration for his postponing signing the EU agreement. There was very limited police violence. The 100 dead were from the Ukro-Nazis shooting at the protesters to make it look like Yanukovych was killing his own people!!

Sullivan wrote: Ahead of a scheduled impeachment vote on Feb. 22, Yanukovych flees, eventually arriving in Russia. Ukraine's parliament votes unanimously to remove Yanukovych and install an interim government, which announces it will sign the EU agreement and votes to free Tymoshenko from prison.


Well, did they ever sign that agreement??? No, they only want a fast track EU accession process, without signing anything…In any case they will never join the EU, because the EU itself won’t exist within the next 10 years
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:01 pm

Lordo wrote:Kicks why are you feeding this narcistic cunt's thirst for seeking attention complaining that you watched Pypro's clip but not his.

What the fuck is the matter with this cunt?

I suggest he gets a fuckin life, takes is nose out of his arse and smells some clean air. Smelling his own farts is turning his mind into mush. It may improve his mind and posts.


I second that. The guy is just a gossiper who keeps notes of everything impressive, and throws them out months or years later, just like he does to RH from his years long encounters in another forum.
He thinks I am trying to bully him, when in reality I do my best to ignore him.
It's like a little girl, who complains been bullied, just because she's ignored 95% of the times. :lol: :lol: :lol: I will have to increase it to 100% . 8)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:21 pm

I would make it 110%. That will really annoy him.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial matters. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration that they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships troubled and unfulfilling, and other people may not enjoy being around them.

Treatment for narcissistic personality disorder centers around talk therapy, also called psychotherapy.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:48 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...what started this war were the rusty pipes.

Corruption started this war. Those who enjoyed its reward could not be bothered to care for them, wanting more.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/10802054 ... ine-russia

...indeed the fight for a Ukraine independent of Russia actually started in Moscow, 1991.

...had the (gas) pipes in Ukraine been well maintained, would what followed have evolved as they did?


The chronological order of events does not change, while the details of individual events may be viewed (read: interpreted) differently.

...corruption, i said that, that's my opinion; look at the facts: if it were not for the ineptitude demonstrated in the upkeep of the gas lines by "Russians" or "Ukrainians" there would not have been a crisis.

...oil starts wars, as is said so often; what makes this war any different?
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