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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:40 am

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You don't deserve a country. You can just accept Turkey's terms and become a Turk yourself. You do not deserve freedom.

Oh. The kid shivering at the parades and winning wars playing video games, is now dictating what I deserve! Get lost mannoui.

Ukraine is a country of 44 million people, and its land size is massive.

There will be Ukrainians left. All 44 million of them. If there are not, then Russia has committed genocide and that leaves the West with no other option but to have a direct conflict with Rissia and a Nuclear War.

You mean just like what happened to the Palestinians? There won't be a Nuclear war.

Don't kid yourself taht the West can just sit and watch 44 million people being killed. If Russia does anything of that sort then the chances of Nuclear holocaust are very high.

I didn't say they will kill 44 million you fool. I said I suspect they will ethnically cleanse them and replace them with Russian settlers. Ethnic cleansing happens slowly after the war by forcing a big portion of the natives to leave. The Russians new demand for safe corridors for the civilians towards Belarus or Russia is an indication. I may be wrong on my suspicion.

The Ukrainian people will fight and they will fight. The bad thing here for Russia now is that they have entered into a war that will bog them down for many years and they still will not be able to control the country and crush the resitence. Then, the violence will spill into their homeland as well, with IRA style terrorism and sanctions.

Daylight dreaming...

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:45 am

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Paphitis wrote:
You don't deserve a country. You can just accept Turkey's terms and become a Turk yourself. You do not deserve freedom.

Oh. The kid shivering at the parades and winning wars playing video games, is now dictating what I deserve! Get lost mannoui.

Ukraine is a country of 44 million people, and its land size is massive.

There will be Ukrainians left. All 44 million of them. If there are not, then Russia has committed genocide and that leaves the West with no other option but to have a direct conflict with Rissia and a Nuclear War.

You mean just like what happened to the Palestinians? There won't be a Nuclear war.

Don't kid yourself taht the West can just sit and watch 44 million people being killed. If Russia does anything of that sort then the chances of Nuclear holocaust are very high.

I didn't say they will kill 44 million you fool. I said I suspect they will ethnically cleanse them and replace them with Russian settlers. Ethnic cleansing happens slowly after the war by forcing a big portion of the natives to leave. The Russians new demand for safe corridors for the civilians towards Belarus or Russia is an indication. I may be wrong on my suspicion.

The Ukrainian people will fight and they will fight. The bad thing here for Russia now is that they have entered into a war that will bog them down for many years and they still will not be able to control the country and crush the resitence. Then, the violence will spill into their homeland as well, with IRA style terrorism and sanctions.

Daylight dreaming...



No just like what happened in Afghanistan.

No matter how much you try, for as long as the enemy is resolved to fight, they are undefeatable. Many examples...

The Americans occupied Afghanistan for nearly 20 years and yet the Taliban were still around in the regional areas waiting and waiting. Then the day arrives when they leave. In they come to Kabul within 72 hours.

Likewise, this is a war, Russia has lost. Not only that, but they have fortified NATO and given it more of a reason to exist.

It's impossible to rule 44 million people hostile to you. It will never happen. Russia is fighting a losing battle. And it's put itself on the back foot, with sanctions and a very reguvenated NATO which has now justified its existence for the next 20 years.

Russia also invaded Afghanistan and lost to Mujahideen Militias and eventually had to withdraw.

Ukraine will be another Afghanistan but on steriods. Ukraine does actually have a competent military to boot, that is far better armed and their soldiers are better trained than any Taliban or Mujahideen. And they are a big country in population and size. To the extent where it is impossible for Russia to occupy.

Much smaller countries like Greece, resisted the NAZIs in WW2 against all odds and against a vastly superior force. And yet, Greece prevailed. Sure, that was largely due to the assistance of Greece's allies, but greece contributed, had guerillas in the mountains who were blowing up bridges and NAZI convoys whenever and whereever they could.

Ukraine, has lots to fight for. the future of their country is at stake. If they give up, they lose. If they don't, they will defeat Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:14 am

Paphitis wrote:No just like what happened in Afghanistan.

Ukraine does not have the land shape of Afganistan. It's all towns and plains.

No matter how much you try, for as long as the enemy is resolved to fight, they are undefeatable. Many examples...

Yourself said the Russians are applying Grozny/Aleppo tactics. I said not yet. But they will soon.
This tactic leaves behind dust... Are you happy about it? I am not.


The Americans occupied Afghanistan for nearly 20 years and yet the Taliban were still around in the regional areas waiting and waiting. Then the day arrives when they leave. In they come to Kabul within 72 hours.

Likewise, this is a war, Russia has lost. Not only that, but they have fortified NATO and given it more of a reason to exist.

Stop fantasizing. And start thinking who within Nato instigated this war and for what reason. Certainly not for the glory.

It's impossible to rule 44 million people hostile to you.
I actually advocated that a long time ago. Other CForumers said hostile or not all that matters is for Russia to get the agreement she wants, and the rest will follow.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:18 am

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Paphitis wrote:No just like what happened in Afghanistan.

Ukraine does not have the land shape of Afganistan. It's all towns and plains.

No matter how much you try, for as long as the enemy is resolved to fight, they are undefeatable. Many examples...

Yourself said the Russians are applying Grozny/Aleppo tactics. I said not yet. But they will soon.
This tactic leaves behind dust... Are you happy about it? I am not.


The Americans occupied Afghanistan for nearly 20 years and yet the Taliban were still around in the regional areas waiting and waiting. Then the day arrives when they leave. In they come to Kabul within 72 hours.

Likewise, this is a war, Russia has lost. Not only that, but they have fortified NATO and given it more of a reason to exist.

Stop fantasizing. And start thinking who within Nato instigated this war and for what reason. Certainly not for the glory.

I actually advocated that a long time ago. Other CForumers said hostile or not all that matters is for Russia to get the agreement she wants, and the rest will follow.


Yes they are employing Grozny tactics and will level large parts of Ukraine's cities and towns, killing thousands of civilians. But in amongst the ruins, will be an invisable enemy, protected and revered by 44 million Ukrainians.

As the Russian Armour comes in, they will encounter mines, javelins and ambush from the defenders and from all directions.

NATO did not instigate anything. NATO vetoed Ukraine. Nothing more than that. This was just an excuse to invade, get Ukraine to surrender and sign over Crimea, and Donbass - something Ukraine is not prepared to do.

It's impossible to rule 44 million people hostile to you.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:49 am

Paphitis wrote:Yes they are employing Grozny tacts and will level large parts of Ukraine's cities and towns. But in amongst the ruins, will be an invisable enemy, protected and revered by 44 million Ukrainians.

You probably don't understand what seizure of towns means. The Russians did not yet cut electricity/water/supplies. They will eventually. Ukraine is not suitable for guerilla war and the Russians were never trained to do such a thing.

As the Russian Armour comes in, they will encounter mines, javelins and ambush from the defenders.

NATO did not instigate anything. NATO vetoed Ukraine. Nothing more than that. This was just an excuse to invade, get Ukraine to surrender and sign over Crimea, and Donbass - something Ukraine is not prepared to do.


How much more naive you can you be ? Nato intelligence was in Ukraine preparing the ground long before they changed their constitution 2 years ago to actually join . Plenty of evidence collected by the Russians.. Within a few years Ukraine would be unbeatable and would join Nato without anyone vetoing it. Why? Because Nato is all about sustaining the military industry and profits of the Americans and a few others. Ukraine would be the new vein of blood sucking. That's why Russia invaded NOW.


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:35 am

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Paphitis wrote:Yes they are employing Grozny tacts and will level large parts of Ukraine's cities and towns. But in amongst the ruins, will be an invisable enemy, protected and revered by 44 million Ukrainians.

You probably don't understand what seizure of towns means. The Russians did not yet cut electricity/water/supplies. They will eventually. Ukraine is not suitable for guerilla war and the Russians were never trained to do such a thing.

As the Russian Armour comes in, they will encounter mines, javelins and ambush from the defenders.

NATO did not instigate anything. NATO vetoed Ukraine. Nothing more than that. This was just an excuse to invade, get Ukraine to surrender and sign over Crimea, and Donbass - something Ukraine is not prepared to do.


How much more naive you can you be ? Nato intelligence was in Ukraine preparing the ground long before they changed their constitution 2 years ago to actually join . Plenty of evidence collected by the Russians.. Within a few years Ukraine would be unbeatable and would join Nato without anyone vetoing it. Why? Because Nato is all about sustaining the military industry and profits of the Americans and a few others. Ukraine would be the new vein of blood sucking. That's why Russia invaded NOW.


It's impossible to rule 44 million people hostile to you.


Ukraine isn't the first country to have to endure such hardship.

And NATO prepared the ground? How? What has NATO done to prepare the ground? They have done stuff all for the Ukrainian People. If NATO was preparing the ground, they should have started years ago and properly equipped the Ukraine Military with A-10s.

But they did nothing at all.

NATO/EU/most of the world are only offering military equioment now, and aid and have hit Russia with sanctioins. The response was largely reactive, not proactive.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:18 am

“U.S. ban on Russian oil” vs “Russia oil import ban”

Fear not a “U.S. ban on Russian oil” but a “Russia oil import ban” which is now hovering over our heads!

What’s the difference?

The former is a bunch of American LIES as per usual… the US pretending to be punishing Russia while doing oil deals in the background, while the latter is the real deal… our worst nightmare!

Russia turns off the gas and oil to both the EU and the US and we’re fucked, as the repercussions would be most unpredictable and catastrophic.

And then at some stage into the future and as another card up the sleeve, Russia could also impose a grain embargo on the EU and the US and the price of a loaf of bread will probably rise $20!

And you can all thank the Biden+Boris pair of comedy clowns who were placed in positions of power to everyone’s detriment.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/to ... 022-03-08/
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:33 am

Who needs the criminal unpredictable West when you’ve acquired and secured the world’s biggest markets...

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If we survive a nuclear war, then Russia is set on a prosperous path with peaceful, reliable and well-meaning trading partners while we'll be left here to stew in our own bitter juice and desperation.

Abandoning the disastrously managed EU has started to preoccupy my mind... but the tricky part is where?

Only after some dust has settled will we see a clearer picture... that is if we get that far.

I don’t know about you guys but I’ve started to feel a lot of pressure in this shitty EU lately; I have a 6th sense unfortunately, and I say this because at times I wish I was a normal ignorant blissful fool like the masses.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:54 am

Get Real! wrote:“U.S. ban on Russian oil” vs “Russia oil import ban”


It will mean leaving the car in the garage and dusting off the donkey to be the main mode of transportation! :wink:

Oil prices to hit $300 per barrel if US, EU ban imports: Russia

BY FRENCH PRESS AGENCY - AFP
MAR 07, 2022 - 11:03 PM GMT+3

With Western allies considering expanding sanction against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak warned of "catastrophic" consequences of a ban on Russian oil imports, including a potential rise in oil prices to $300 per barrel.

"A ban on Russian oil will lead to catastrophic consequences for the global market. The surge in prices will be unpredictable – more than $300 per barrel, if not more," Novak said in remarks carried by Russian news agencies.

Novak added that it would be "impossible" to quickly replace Russian oil on the European market.

"It will take more than one year and it will be much more expensive for European consumers," he said. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

https://www.dailysabah.com/business/ene ... rts-russia
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:02 am

The West actively goes out of its way to make all the major energy exporters our enemies, and all “first earth” resource exporters our enemies… but we cannot possibly survive without the energy and precious minerals supplied at generous prices by the likes of Russia and China!

What these two nations have on offer are absolutely fundamental if we are to preserve our (material) way of life.

Don’t kid yourselves for there are no alternative sources… the likes of Vietnam and other smaller nations being touted cannot even cover 10% of our mineral needs.

We are being led down a one-way path of poverty and regression while the Biden+Boriss+EU circus of buffoons, think we have the luxury of celebrating for cutting off Russia… and next they’ll go after China to finish off what foolish Trump started!

May God help us… :?
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