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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:50 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Yes, Ruzzia looking ominous with its 60 year old soldiers with no guns and ammunition.


I wouldn't get too triumphant. It looks like Biden's Anglophobia is about to result in somebody who, as German Defence Minister had the Bundeswehr running around in major NATO exercises using broom sticks as simulated guns, being made the next head of the organisation. :(


Everyone has learnt their lessons for the neglect of the last 15 years ever since Obama won office.

Now we are in a phase of increasing defence expenditures across the board in just about every NATO country.

Trump was first to start, then it was Australia and Japan. Now NATO has just started.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:24 pm

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Kikapu wrote:Watch out for the Bear Trap at Bakhmout you two! :wink:


Yes, Bakhmut, the carefully choreographed Mutiny, et al.

You have to look deeper, because, behind it all, there's always an incredibly clever, Machiavellian, (cunning) Russian plan. They never do "This has turned into a total shit fest. How the fuck can we get out of it?".


Yes, I forgot, that Prigozhin was executed for his treasonous act by trying to overthrow Putin! :lol:

I think he was seen in St. Petersburg yesterday wondering around. :lol:

Err, not in Florida, but in Russia! :lol:

Not bad for a man meant to be “walking dead” candidate! :lol:

The West got set up by the Russians of a mutiny in the works which the US Congress were informed two days in advance, to coincide with the ending of NATO military drill who would be waiting for the call to support the coup, and of course, Zelensky was getting ready to enjoy his popcorn watching the fall of Putin and Russia, and you still believe it was a coup. :lol:

Then you complaine people accusing you of being gullible! :roll:

Case Closed: :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:45 pm

Ohh no! I appreciate it wasn't a kosher ( can I say that? :? ) coup. I just don't subscribe to the view that it was some sort of very clever plot which us dummkopfs can't figure out. It was all certainly a "team popcorn" event. Crunch, crunch!

Where the man is seems to be a moveable feast. Frankly though - who gives one?

There definitely appears to be a campaign on Russian State media (did you realise that? Russia controls all of it's media? :shock: Shock, horror! WTF!!) to ridicule the man and - getting ahead of the game here perhaps - set him up for the ole "tax evasion" imprisonment thing.

I think the term "Gullible" tends, with team Russia, to be a euphemism for - an opinion other than mine. Bit bully boyish to be honest. You can do better.

Apologies if this is too "black and white" :D
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:11 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66134663

I see the Yanks are up to their dirty tricks again. But how can that be they are the leader of the Free World. I think they have a different understanding what Free means. It is free to do anything you fuckin like to anybody who does not serve your interests.


US plans to send controversial cluster munitions to Ukraine
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:21 am

...dirty tricks?

...think "Russia", in Ukraine who has already used such ammunition on civilians.

...these are the weapons which may aid in ending this war sooner, against the frontline trenches instead.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:25 am



...current news

ARMED MUTINY 2.0. Wagner STOCKPILES WEAPONS and PLANS "SOMETHING". Russians TRAPPED IN BAKHMUT

...cluster bombs, and the evacuation of Crimea.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:31 am

Paphitis wrote:I’m very happy the improvised nuclear attack by Ruzzia against Ukraine and Europe/NATO did not eventuate and that the threat itself seems to have dissipated somewhat.

Merika, is in constant communication with fascist terrorist state Ruzzia and has no option but to tell these fascists over the red phone that any release of nuclear radiation over Europe will constitute a Nuclear attack against NATO and therefore require a Nuclear response from them.

However, we are not completely out of the woods. The Ruzzians have a death cult culture and are therefore, extremely insane.


Reading the above garbage by Paphitis feels like I’m sitting on a small chair at a small table made for kids at kindergarten school ffs. :roll:

When this war is over and Russia accomplishes all of their objectives in Ukraine, I fear you and LR won’t be able to handle it and will end up the male version of Thelma & Louise’s ending scene! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:41 pm

Kikapu wrote:Reading the above garbage by Paphitis feels like I’m sitting on a small chair at a small table made for kids at kindergarten school ffs. :roll:

When this war is over and Russia accomplishes all of their objectives in Ukraine, I fear you and LR won’t be able to handle it and will end up the male version of Thelma & Louise’s ending scene! :wink:

LR and more so Paphitis live in another World! :roll:

Since the start of the violence in Ukraine in 2014 the Kyiv regime had lied. When the Minsk agreement established the demarcation line between Kyiv forces and the DPR resistance was established in 2015, Kyiv forces were suffering heavy losses. Kyiv then spent 6-7 years digging a defense line from the Black Sea coast to the Russian border to the East of Luhansk. Merkel confirmed that Kyiv took this chance to re-arm thanks to the US.

The following article is interesting because the secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council, Oleksiy Danilov is now saying Kyiv is changing tactics and is going to do what DPR forces have been doing since 2015 and the Russians since Feb/Mar 2022 in Ukraine! They apparently are now going to use the DPR/Russian technique to ‘demilitarise’ Russia! Big problem is Kyiv has neither the forces or weapons to do this …… and because they no longer have defense lines to fall back on, especially true in Backhmut!

The Kyiv Spring Counter offensive has failed because they have fallen for the trap! As Paphitis keeps shooting his mouth off all about the Ukies re-taking Backmut, he fails to realize that there is NOTHING there it is a landscape of destruction! The Russian forces when they see them coming, just fall back to their first line of defense ……… and the Russian artillery then blows the Ukies ‘chasing’ them, to pieces! Russia launches mines behind them, they are trapped, lose most of their armor and vehicles and thousands die for very few Russian casualties! All because of the lies these poor patriotic Ukrainian troops get fed by Zelenskey. They don’t stand a hope in Hells chance of defeating the Russian forces ……….. no matter how valiant their efforts.

But if people like LR and Paphitis fall for the same lies when they have the far more accurate and probable scenario at their fingertips ……… then it is no wonder the Ukrainian’s are dying in such large numbers ? Those left THINK they are winning because Zelenskey says so, Reality looks a lot different.

Ukraine Changes War Tactic To One That Will Cause It More Losses

After a month of failed attempts to reach the Russian defense lines the Ukrainian side is stuck. Its forces are unable to even cross the security zone in front of the Russian lines. The long promoted counter-offensive, launched to pressure from Washington and NATO, has undoubtedly failed. It has caused enormous losses with no substantial gains and the Ukrainian army is now changing its tactic.

Yesterday the secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council, Oleksiy Danilov, tweeted in English and Russian:
At this stage of active hostilities, Ukraine’s Defense Forces are fulfilling the number one task – the maximum destruction of manpower, equipment, fuel depots, military vehicles, command posts, artillery and air defense forces of the russian army. The last few days have been particularly fruitful. Now the war of destruction is equal to the war of kilometers. More destroyed means more liberated. The more effective the former, the more the latter. We are acting calmly, wisely, step by step.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/07/ukraine-changes-wartactic-to-one-that-will-cause-it-more-losses.html
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...dirty tricks?

...think "Russia", in Ukraine who has already used such ammunition on civilians.

...these are the weapons which may aid in ending this war sooner, against the frontline trenches instead.

RW what you posted sounds like Russia used cluster bombs in Ukraine so it is ok now for the Ukrainians to use Yank cluster bombs. I am afraid you are wrong. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians have been using cluster bombs in the war from the beginning.

Of course Yankstan has not signed the international agreement on manufacture or use of cluster bombs. Don't you love Yank democracy?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:14 pm

Lordo wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...dirty tricks?

...think "Russia", in Ukraine who has already used such ammunition on civilians.

...these are the weapons which may aid in ending this war sooner, against the frontline trenches instead.

RW what you posted sounds like Russia used cluster bombs in Ukraine so it is ok now for the Ukrainians to use Yank cluster bombs. I am afraid you are wrong. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians have been using cluster bombs in the war from the beginning.

Of course Yankstan has not signed the international agreement on manufacture or use of cluster bombs. Don't you love Yank democracy?

The accusations that Russia used these ‘Butterfly’ mines in Ukraine was never proved and all the sources that made the accusations were Ukrainian. These were dropped in fairly large quantities on Donetsk City a few months ago ..... and of course when the story came to light with videos of Russian soldiers destroying them ...... it never got mentioned in the MSM.

The ‘Ukrainian sources' denied it was Ukraine that used them and blamed Russia for using them on the same people they were there to protect. So, same old lies from The Kyiv regime! :roll:
Is Russia using butterfly mines in Ukraine? - Wulf Wilde 03/15/2022 March 15, 2022

No reliable evidence against Russia

As of March 14, there is no reliable evidence that butterfly mines are being deployed in the war in Ukraine. There is only one source for their use in the current conflict, the Ukrainian attorney general, and this source is beholden to one of the two conflicting parties.

Since there is no independent confirmation of the accusation nor verifiable recent images, a final assessment on their use is not possible.

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-russia-using-butterfly-mines-in-ukraine/a-61120270


Now the US is going to sell them their stocks of illegal cluster bombs! Don’t you just love this ‘US Rules based order’?

BTW: Did you know that the mines the Russians are using to take out Ukraine's armour, have detonators that disable themselves within a few days/weeks thus reducing the chances of them killing civilians. US cluster 'bombies' that they rained down on Cambodia and Laos during the Vietnam War, as well as on Vietnam, are still maiming the population today. :evil:
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