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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:00 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:The Senile POTUS again……..


There’s something we can agree on. Although, perhaps not Kicks. It seems inconceivable the man could be in the Oval Office for another 4 years. Or, Heaven save us all, Cackling Kamala Harris ends up taking over. :shock:


No, no. We are all on the same page when it comes to senile Joe.

He won't make the next election.

Had Trump not been a cunt in the second half of his presidency, he would be serving his second term today and no war in Ukraine.

You are not reading this correctly Kiks. It is not the President that decided the foreign policy. It is the establishment and if it does suits them, the war will begin no matter who is in power. Kennedy made that mistake saying he will pull out of Vietnam and he paid for it with his life.

So the question is who is in charge of policy making in America? It is about 10 or so corporations that are in charge. especially the war machine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:19 pm

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Pyrpolizer wrote:The Senile POTUS again……..


There’s something we can agree on. Although, perhaps not Kicks. It seems inconceivable the man could be in the Oval Office for another 4 years. Or, Heaven save us all, Cackling Kamala Harris ends up taking over. :shock:


No, no. We are all on the same page when it comes to senile Joe.

He won't make the next election.

Had Trump not been a cunt in the second half of his presidency, he would be serving his second term today and no war in Ukraine.


actually, he might just make it alright.

he is remarkably doing a fantastic job in International Affairs and the USG is showing amazing global leadership. Yes he can come accross at times as senile, but at other times very lucid.

My only explanation is that he has a very good team behind him and a deep state apparatus that hasn't let him down.

Donald Trump may be a risk the US and the world can ill afford because of his 'admiration' of Putlar.

Right now, the US is doing all the right things, helping Ukraine destroy Putlar and fascist Ruzzia to make the globe a better place free from this most despicable evil.

Merika is on top of the world bitches showing who your boss and daddy really is. Enjoy bitches seeing your poster boy embarrass himself to US Power. :D

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:28 pm

Have to say. Personally, I prefer my “Most powerful man in the world” to be lucid at all times. :lol: :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:35 pm

Londonrake wrote:Have to say. Personally, I prefer my “Most powerful man in the world” to be lucid at all times. :lol: :wink:


he has Antony Blinken and at times I think this is the man in charge. But as we know, the USG is a Goliath of a Beast, both militarily and its security influence globally, and also in International Affairs.

Right now, Europe and NATO knows the US has their back and the allegiances with other partners in Asia, Middle East and Asia Pacific has never been more strong.

Blinken is doing a fantastic job. And the Democrats as a whole are doing a good job.

The globe has responded very well against the Ruzzians and Putlar and turned the Ruzzian world upside down and bringing them to their knees. Ruzzia will never recover from this for at least 30 years.

Therefore, for that alone, Biden has been flawless. As a Republican, you still got to give credit where credit is due if you care for Merika and Global Peace and stability.

We don't really know how Trump would have handled it, but what he has said in the past on such matters are very concerning to say the least. trump may not be the right guy when we have a raving fascist lunatic like Putlar loose.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:53 pm

We can’t be sure but I lean towards Kicks view.

I think people like Putin/Xi-Jinping/Khameini and Chubby Chops perceived Biden as a weak President and saw his Presidency as giving a limited window of opportunity. Putin went for it, whilst the inscrutable Chinese watched, to see how he got on before acting (or not, as it’s turned out). The Afghanistan withdrawal debacle probably reinforced their view.

I just don’t think they would have taken the risk with somebody as unpredictable as Trump in the WH.

Just a - dreaded - opinion of course. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jul 04, 2023 3:05 pm

Londonrake wrote:We can’t be sure but I lean towards Kicks view.

I think people like Putin/Xi-Jinping/Khameini and Chubby Chops perceived Biden as a weak President and saw his Presidency as giving a limited window of opportunity. Putin went for it, whilst the inscrutable Chinese watched, to see how he got on, before acting. The Afghanistan withdrawal debacle probably reinforced their view.
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I just don’t think they would have taken the risk with somebody as unpredictable as Trump in the WH.

Just a - dreaded - opinion of course. :lol:


Yes well that is probably true.

They may have seen Biden as their opportunity. But they made a very grave mistake and Putlar is getting done over and becoming a laughing stock now.

The message has been sent to Xi hi peanut, KHommus and Chubby cheeks. I think they will be behaving themselves for the foreseeable future.

Anyone want to beg to differ with America and it’s 10 Battlegroups that can destroy the world?

As for Putlar, it’s too late now. :lol:

So Merida is asking Bitches! Who wants to be next!

Any wolunteers? :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:42 pm

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Robin Hood wrote:The guy on the Radio said the intention was to investigate Russia’s aggression AFTER they invaded Ukraine on the 24th Feb 2022. Same old trick as those that support the Western Alliance perform on this forum? They put the start point of the investigation about eight years after it all started! This way they avoid all the awkward questions relating to KYIV’s attack on its own ethnic Russian people in 2014 that killed around 14,000 people in the first two years and a few hundred since then. They can also avoid that unpleasant fact that according to OSCE SMM Monitors in Ukraine at the time it was UKRAINE that started it with the help of the US/UK/NATO


That isn't what actually happened. But don't let me spoil the fabricated excuse which resulted in your joyful exuberance at the results of Russia invading a neighbouring country, killing many thousands of civilians, driving millions from their homes and country, whilst completely obliterating a large number of population centres. I suspect, when it happened, your dream came true. Plus of course, there's the added benefit that.....................it doesn't affect you.

You are in denial modeagain? I will give you a reality check and start the Ukraine time line from 1991 ……………………..

US funds and organizes the Orange Revolution in an attempt to install a Government more to US liking. (Historic fact) Didn’t work out. US funded NGO’s to the tune of $5bn over the coming years and Maidan was formed from that. (Nuland/Pyatt telecom) Maidan Leadership, in close contact with US Sec State (Nuland) created Euro Maidan and started to plan the post coup Ukraine Government. (Nuland/Pyatt telecom) To accelerate the response the Maidan Leadership used snipers to kill both protestors and police and blamed Yanucovitch. (Ottawa University investigation)

The elected Ukraine President Yanucovitch was deposed in the coup that followed and ‘Yats’ took over the Government and ran an anti-Russian campaign …… which greatly suited the US. Yatz threats against the ethnic Russians and particularly Crimea, provoked the autonomous Crimea by a 97% vote to break away and leave the Ukraine! (Historic fact) Yatz issues more threats and a now independent Crimea votes by 97% to join the Russian Federation of Independent States. (Historic fact) This carried an RTP agreement with the Russian government so Kyiv backed off.

Seeing the success in Crimea, seven oblasts in the Eastern and Southern Ukraine Donetsk, Luhansk, Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kherson experienced civil uprising for autonomy within Ukraine. (Historic fact) The Kyiv regime respond by mobilizing AZOZ, Right Sector etc militia’s to put down the uprisings with an armed response. In some oblasts there was a short lived armed resistance that was soon overcome by the Kyiv forces. Many of the military in these regions quit, took their arms with them a joined the Donbas resistance.

Kyiv’s advance ground to a standstill at the Minsk LoC where they met a strong resistance. This continued as a stalemate war until late 2021 when the US decided to arm and support the Kyiv regime in their internal genocide, which is when 160.000 troops started massing on the LoC between Mariupol and Luhansk. (OECD SMM Monitors) Russia knew the US/Kyiv plan and countered with their own troop build up along the border.

About the 12-13th Feb the Kyiv invasion started when OSCE observers reported an increase in explosions, this increased over several days to orders of magnitude increases by the 22nd Feb. Most of the impacts were observed south of the LoC i.e. Donbas rebel held regions. . (OECD SMM Monitors) Donetsk and Luhansk in the meantime had declared UDI’s in response to Kyiv’a aggression and entered into an RTP agreement with the Russian Federation. (Historic fact)

On the 23rd Feb ….. the two Donbas republics called on Russia to protect them from Kyiv's US backed escalation of the existing conflict. At 5am on the 34th Feb Russia unleashed its response to the Kyiv invasion of Donbas! :shock:

NOW you start your timeline along with those with the same brainwashed attitude! You all stop looking at the clouds, take their fingers out of their ears, stop La-la-la-la ing and all scream in unison the MSM announcements that ...... “The Madman Putin had invaded poor defenseless Ukraine, in an attempt to recreate the Soviet Empire, overthrow the ‘democratic’ Ukrainian government, :lol: in a completely unprovoked attack and was deliberately targeting schools, hospitals, civilian homes and infrastructure etc ." ……… and you have kept it up ever since.

In reality Putin launched a lightening SMO which, in 4-5 days almost completely degraded the Ukraine air defense system, its weapons dumps, fuel dumps, airfields and also took out most of the Ukie Navy in the Black Sea that was a threat to Crimea. Which of course you laughEd at as a complete failure because he, in your book, 'failed' to take Kyiv and overthrow the government1 :lol:

Russia then threatened a couple of other cities and got Zelenskey to talk peace terms and Russia agreed to withdraw ….. that was until Washington’s poodle Boris Johnson turned up in Kyiv and threatened to cut off all Military aid if he went through or even entered talks with Putin. How many Ukrainians paid the price for that bit of US/UK diplomacy?

So at least I can back my perception with some factual references that paint a whole different picture to your Western sanitized propaganda version that excludes any facts you don’t like! Like ALL of the above?

You asked for it!
So, how's the Cypriot "Police State" going? Still got the ass-ache? :wink:

Something else you know nothing about but comment on anyway! :|
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...what is after the bomb? "They" won't waste it causing confusion, it's the kill it will be used for.

Between a whole lot of non nuclear countries in Europe and Washington DC, i suggest the latter, for Putin, is more inviting.

...indeed, as much as it is denied, the more it is a surprise.


I think you are nearer the most likely response! He wont play around and IMO if Russia is threatened Putin will do what he did in Ukraien on the 24/2/22 but on a total commitment basis to destroy the threat completely at source. There will be a main attack and a series of smaller attacks on other significant US/UK/NATO targets.

The the US will find itself on its own because others will be more likely to come to the table without a US forcing them to do otherwise.

Jst my opinion of course. :roll:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:05 pm

I can't believe that there are people here who actually think that the President of USA or any other leader in the west has any real power. They have to do what they are told like good little boys and girls.

I take up an issue with what Trump did when he got elected.

Republicans passed a sweeping tax cut for two-thirds of Americans in 2017, saying it would pay for itself and the American public would thank them.

Now, as Americans finish filing to the IRS for the first time under the new system, the law has swelled the deficit and surveys show just one-fifth of taxpayers believe their taxes have gone down. That’s made it hard for President Donald Trump to leverage the tax cuts as an issue in 2020.

That, at the same time as he was trying to remove Medicare with nothing to replace it. Anybody who supports Trump is a cunt. Has to be and a very selfish cunt at that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:18 pm

RH

Re Ukr. Long, ranting POV. Not commensurate with events but riddled with your usual prejudices and bias confirmations. Your “facts”, often as not, anything but.

You’ve enthusiastically supported just about every dictatorial tyranny on the planet as long as I’ve known you. All of them having domestic police/security apparatuses that Stalin would approve of. Yet, when you hear of a potential change in CYPOL related legislation which could impact upon yourself you erupt into a fit of indignation.

I imagine you must be running out of ways of trying to make off-forum life difficult for me. Your last effort reached a new low though. Pathetic.
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