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[Lordo]

A Fascist thinks either you are with me or against me. This has been the western narrative for a very long time. If you said a word against the Yanks bombing in Vietnam or anywhere else you became the enemy.

For the resident fascist I just have two words. Fuck off.

If I oppose the Yanks it does not mean I am pro anything else or brainwashed by anybody else. The yanks have been controlling Europe as well as most of the world ever since WW2 to suit their interests and still do to this day. They can fuck off to where they belong, but in reality they don't belong in America either that is Native American land. I do feel sorry for any group who has to put up with these cunts.

[Lordo]

Interesting discussion in Ireland. Would you enhance our military capability at all?

A conservative cunt is claiming that Ukrainians have underestimated Russia.

The best defense is to remain neutral. Imagine if Ukraine did not declare they want to join Nato, would they now be in this mess. Of course subject to they did not start bombing the eastern areas.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7pqNBXXudGw

[Paphitis]

Evening bitches,

I might be cancelling my Trip to Europe this month due to a possible impending meltdown of the Nuclear Reactors in Zaporizhzhia.

Got the in laws in Cyprus right now as well. I told them a week ago to register with the Australian Embassy in Nicosia, because there may be plans that Australia will be evacuating 3500 Australian Citzens from Cyprus, and any Australian Citizens in Poland, Moldova, Turkey, and Greece.

Only problem now is that the In Laws are actually in Jerusalem on a pilgrimage, so I told them to register in Tel Aviv. Bigger problem is, Father-in-Law is actually in hospital as his foot got run over by an excavator.

Hopefully can get him out of Israel and back to Cyprus, because of the SBA in Akrotiri, or get him on a commercial flight if needed. If there are evacuations, it will likely ne through Akrotiri on either Australian, British or even American Aircraft, as they will likely also evacuate their people.

Stay safe people. I do not believe Cyprus is a good place to be in at the moment. Same with Turkey, and I was so looking forward to my trip...

The Merikans are downplaying the risk, but that could be for political and strategic reasons and to not cause a panic. Poland, and Germany, however, are not downplaying the risk and are saying that Nuclear Meltdowns could be imminent. I am placing more credence on Polish Intelligence at this point in time over Merikan Intelligence.

Stay safe everyone. And if anyone wants to have a holiday to far away Merika, Canada or Australia, now is the time to perhaps get on a plane with the family.

This is the level of depravity we can expect from Putlar and the Ruzzians.

The Ruzzians have mined 4 out of6 reactors and have started to evacuate workers. Just like the planted explosives on the Damn before they blew it up. Very desperate actions by the Ruzzians who seem to be in disarray. They are also not allowing anyone entering Crimea which could be connected to the possibility of Nuclear Meltdowns in the world's second. largest Nuclear Power Plant.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen, but nothing should be a surprise if it does.

[Kikapu]

Evening bitches,

I might be cancelling my Trip to Europe this month due to a possible impending meltdown of the Nuclear Reactors in Zaporizhzhia.

This is the level of depravity we can expect from Putlar and the Ruzzians.

The Ruzzians have mined 4 out of6 reactors and have started to evacuate workers. Just like the planted explosives on the Damn before they blew it up. Very desperate actions by the Ruzzians who seem to be in disarray. They are also not allowing anyone entering Crimea which could be connected to the possibility of Nuclear Meltdowns in the world's second. largest Nuclear Power Plant.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen, but nothing should be a surprise if it does.

Sounds more like a False Flag by the collective West and Ukraine for NATO to enter the war in Ukraine directly, as it is their last roll of the dice by trying to destroy the Nuclear Reactors in Zaporizhzhia. First they blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, then they blew up the Damn, and now targeting the Nuclear plant. These are the criminals desperate attempts to change the situation on the ground which they are losing very badly. Ever heard the saying, “Never shit on one’s doorstep”? Why would Russia shit on their own doorstep since they are in complete control of the Nuclear Plant and it is in the region which they have complete control? They wouldn’t, just like the Damn.

Stop being a sucker Paphitis in believing everything that comes out of Kyiv. You can hate Russia all you want, but it is time for you to use your own brain to decipher information logically so not to become a Western propaganda Lemming every time.

[Kikapu]

LR, you are so soaked to the core in the Western propaganda pickle that you cannot see the Ukraine-Russia conflict clearly as you continue with the mantra that Russia failed to capture all of Ukraine as it did with Crimea! This is one of many things which you cannot see that is not Black & White, which I am not willing to go over with you again and again in discussing it as it has been done many times over the last 16 months. It’s the old adage with you that you can take the donkey to the water but you cannot....which I’m sure you know what follows!

Funny, it seems to me that yourself and - mostly - Pyrpro/RH are "soaked to the core" ...................with Russian propaganda. There's absolutely nothing they pump out which you don't accept unquestioningly, then faithfully echo. Calling others "gullible" if they should dare to disagree.

How so? Just which Russian propaganda are we soaked in and from what sources? Please name them if you can?

The information that we get are from Americans and the British sources, albeit sources who are not part of the bullshit news from MSM, but independent, people with credentials in Military and news gathering individuals, mostly online and social media networks. Are you accusing these people of being Russian propagandist by any chance?

"Mantra"?

Despite Putin and Lavrov lying about it several times (fair enough) 190,000 Russian troops invaded Ukraine on 24 Feb 2022. An armoured Russian column, over 40 miles long, headed for Kyiv. At the same time Russian airborne forces attacked Antonov airport, 10kms from Kyiv, in order to establish a strategic airbridge close to the city. If you don't think the intention was to take Kyiv and in essence the entire country - replacing it's government with a Lukashenko clone - then I submit you're deluded. Both efforts were rebuffed, due to unanticipated strong Ukrainian resistance.

Putin's publicly declared objectives at the outset were to "de-nazify" (come on, from a 22 year long dictator - grabbing his neighbour's territory?) and "de- militarise" Ukraine. Clearly, those couldn't be achieved by merely occupying parts of southern and eastern Ukraine. You needed to take the whole country.

Russia’s show of force and invasion of Ukraine was never meant to take over the whole of Ukraine to achieve it’s objectives, not with 190,000 troops, which meant 100,000 active troops and the remainders as support. You of all people should recognize that.

Russia’s push towards Kyiv served two purposes. One was to convince Kyiv to sign the Minsk agreement and the second was to keep Ukraine’s elite soldiers in the Kyiv area to protect the capital away from the Eastern Donbas areas which is the Area Russia wanted the most. Well, Zelensky did not sign the Minsk accord as the peace talks were sabotaged by the Collective West in Istanbul and the Russians withdrew from the Kyiv area since the real battle was happening in the Donbas regions, which Russia ultimately took over that region shortly after and has held it since. If the war continues, the objective for a Russia is to take all of the Ukrainian coastal regions including Odessa to:

a) prevent NATO ever wanting Ukraine to join it’s alliance if there is no access to the Black Sea
b) protect the Greater Russia from the Collective West’s aggressions in the future
c) prevent Nuclear War with the West should they try to invade Crimea and Greater Russia

I am in favour of all of the above since Zelensky, Ukraine, NATO and the Collective West has proved that they cannot be trusted from advancing closer and closer towards the Greater Russian Federation. Despite Finland becoming part of NATO because of the war in Ukraine, it is of not too much concern to the security of the Russian Federation as it would have been had Ukraine became part of NATO with it’s 1991 borders remained intact. All Ukraine had to do was not want to become part of NATO and also not persecute the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas regions. Unfortunately, Ukraine went the other way on the advice of the Collective West and now we are where we are and the above a) b) and c) will be the new reality.

If Russia wanted to take the whole of Ukraine, then Russia would have declared war on Ukraine. Instead, they only wanted to destroy Ukraine’s military and have a leader in Ukraine friendly towards Russia and not be a puppet of the Collective West like Zelensky, who is personally responsible for the destruction of Ukraine in trying to please it’s masters in the West. He gave Russia no other choice but to grant Zelensky in it’s wishes to destroy Ukraine, it’s military, economy, not to mention millions fleeing Ukraine to foreign lands, which most will never return back to Ukraine anytime soon, if ever.

I would like to think we can express our views with mutual respect. So, please drop the condescending stuff. That is, you haven't gone things "over and over" with me. In fact, most of your responses to my inputs have been fairly dismissive. As an example, I posted an article (rare for me) which was fairly uncontentious from the Beeb. It was a chronological list of Ukraine invasion events from 24 Feb 22. Your reaction was along the lines of "it's rubbish for the gullible" and "I don't have time to respond". On the same day Pyrpro posted a 300+ word effort, accompanied by a 2.5 hour video. To which your response was "I watched it in its entirety and found it very informative". That's the sort of "rational discussion" this thread entails.

Well, here’s your chance to start fresh without accusing others of being “Team Russia”!

Repeating something, over and over, doesn't make it true.

Tell that to the Collective West that claiming Ukraine is winning the war and Russia is losing the war does not make it true!

Pedantic I know but it's "take a horse to water" .

Always wanting to correct the insignificant, huh, LR!

Did you ever think perhaps I used Donkey instead of Horse to mean that you are being stubborn?

I almost used Mule instead of Donkey, but I didn’t want you to think you were not only stubborn, but sterile too!

I should stick only to Black & White meanings in the future with you!

[Robin Hood]

LondonRake

I don't think I have problems seeing things "clearly" actually.

You are deluding yourself! YOU do have a problem and you demonstrate it every time you comment! Mostly you attack individuals for having views particularly on Ukraine, that you disagree with and, when you actually comment on any ‘Ukraine’ subject, you are clearly and vehemently so, anti-Russian. You deny you are brainwashed but your posts show that you always toe the US/UK/NATO line on every occasion without question.

Read the second two paragraphs of Michael Hudson’s piece that I quoted! What he says is factually correct and the evidence is all available if you look for it and all from Western sources! YOU ignore it all and leave it out of your narrative completely, or if do you mention it you scathingly label it as ‘Russian Propaganda!

Despite Putin and Lavrov lying about it several times (fair enough) 190,000 Russian troops invaded Ukraine on 24 Feb 2022.

You conveniently missed out the 160,000 Kyiv troops that, supplied by the US with more weapons, were moving to the Minsk LoC at the same time and who invaded Donbas on the 15-16th Feb 2022. The Russians had the intelligence of the plan beforehand .... so did the US!

You also conveniently ignore the eight year war of genocide Kyiv carried out on ethnic Russians that killed 14,000 between 2014 and 2016.

An armoured Russian column, over 40 miles long, headed for Kyiv. At the same time Russian airborne forces attacked Antonov airport, 10kms from Kyiv, in order to establish a strategic airbridge close to the city. If you don't think the intention was to take Kyiv and in essence the entire country - replacing it's government with a Lukashenko clone - then I submit you're deluded.

So you REALY think 30k Russian troops and a 40km line of military vehicles and the required supplies would be enough to ‘take’ a city/region like Kyiv with a 4m+ population and a garrison of 160k troops, and then depose its government?

Unlike a NATO operation there was no massive build up, no blitzkrieg and no air bombardment campaign. The Russian column didn’t even fire unless they were fired on! Most villages/towns they went through without resistance they left medical teams behind and supplied medicines and food parcels. The Ukrainians that took advantage of that aid were later treated as Russian collaborators by Kyiv and treated accordingly ..... Bucha as an example!

Both efforts were rebuffed, due to unanticipated strong Ukrainian resistance.

Really, who told you that? Zelenskey? When the feints had achieved their goals and the Crimea – Russia Land Bridge was secured, the Russians announced and then withdrew back from whence it came. There was little or no ‘Ukrainian resistance’! The Russian action just kept 160k troops defending the City, when they could have been used to counter the Russian gains in the East/South. After Putin’s announcement of the withdrawal the Ukraine forces moved into the vacated Russian areas (Kyiv/Summi/Karkov) as the Russians retreated back to Belarus/Russia. Zelenskey (and Paphitis ) then claimed this as a great victory over the Russians and that they had ‘driven’ the Russians out.

Putin's publicly declared objectives at the outset were to "de-nazify" and "de- militarise" Ukraine. Clearly, those couldn't be achieved by merely occupying parts of southern and eastern Ukraine. You needed to take the whole country.

The evidence clearly shows Putin didn’t want the whole country? He HAS de-nazified to a great extent. He has also de-militarised Ukraine several times over! But the West dusts down the remnants of the Ukie army, gives them more weapons and sends them back to die for the US grand plan of things.

Repeating something, over and over, doesn't make it true.

Well said....... THAT IS PROPAGANDA and as the UK/EU blocked all access to Russian ‘propaganda’ from 2014 onward all you have to watch, listen to and read about is progressively more-and-more Ukraine/Western propaganda! You seem unable to comprehend that!

What do yourself/Pyrpro/RH (I don't include Lordo. The man's a a sycophantic idiot) want?

Pedantic I know but it's "take a horse to water" .

I could ask you the exact same question! What do you want to prove? Why do you always leave out the inconvenient facts that prove your version of history is so badly distorted and then give a view almost totally the reverse of the truth?

[Robin Hood]

Another common sense view of the Ukraine conflict and, once again based on facts rather than fiction,

Ukraine Timeline Tells the Story - June 30, 2023

FOREWRD:

The way to prevent understanding of the Ukraine war is to suppress its history.

A cartoon version says the conflict began in February 2022 when Vladimir Putin woke up one morning and decided to invade Ukraine.
There was no other cause, according to this version, other than unprovoked, Russian aggression against an innocent country.

Please use this short, historical guide to share with people who still flip through the funny pages trying to figure out what’s going on in Ukraine.
The mainstream account is like opening a novel in the middle of a book to read a random chapter as though it’s the beginning of the story.

Thirty years from now historians will write of the context of the Ukraine war: the coup, the attack on Donbass, NATO expansion, rejection of Russian treaty proposals — without being called Putin puppets. It will be the same way historians write of the Versailles Treaty as a cause of Nazism and WWII, but aren’t called Nazi-sympathizers.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/30/ukraine-timeline-tells-the-story/

[Pyrpolizer]

On another note GRoC must have too much money or GR has been promoted to Ministry of Defence.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/06/21/merkava-tanks-find-new-homes-in-cyprus-and-morocco-amid-speculations

Crappy and contradictory site
From the same site:

https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/06/21/c ... s-ukraine/

[Pyrpolizer]

Most of my relatives don't have a clue of what is going on in Ukraine. There's one woman though in her late 50s, who spends a lot of time on the internet, and has modified all her life beliefs about everything based on that.
I thought she would knew a lot about the Russian-Ukraine war, and tried to start a conversation with her. She told me she hates Russia and President Putin, because they invaded Ukraine, and constantly rape women and kill children. She was so emotional about that
End of discussion from my part....
Although LondonRocky is not so ignorant, he still reminds me of her. Something to do with "the same denominator" thingy.

[Kikapu]

Most of my relatives don't have a clue of what is going on in Ukraine. There's one woman though in her late 50s, who spends a lot of time on the internet, and has modified all her life beliefs about everything based on that.
I thought she would knew a lot about the Russian-Ukraine war, and tried to start a conversation with her. She told me she hates Russia and President Putin, because they invaded Ukraine, and constantly rape women and kill children. She was so emotional about that
End of discussion from my part....
Although LondonRocky is not so ignorant, he still reminds me of her. Something to do with "the same denominator" thingy.

“The same denominator” thingy is one having their glass full, and adding anymore to it, it just flows over without entering the glass!

In layman’s term, it means to be “closed minded”!