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[Lordo]

Be careful not to fall into the Russian False Flag Bear Trap on the supposedly coup attempt in Russia.

I think it is a carefully choreography action by the Russians for Ukraine to commit it’s forces to attack the Russians on all fronts in smelling blood and victory in thinking Russia is falling apart, so to decimate the remaining Ukrainians forces before Russia goes on the offensive to finish it’s goals in Ukraine.

Do you honestly believe that? I doubt it.

It's a scenario which comes across as a desperate attempt at damage limitation. Putin looks the weaker. Historically, tending to be ultimately fatal for Russian leaders (Gorbachev/Yeltsin). The price being paid for having Prigozhin and Kadyrov running around with private armies at their disposal. Reducing the politically awkward need for more large-scale call ups.

I suspect it's more the case that the Ukrainians are watching all of this hardly believing their luck.

We already had the blood curdling "Russian offensive" warnings at the end of 2022. It was barely noticeable. In reality, the likelihood they're going to make anything in the way of significant progress was buried long ago, in their aborted approach to Kyiv. Barring a breakthrough in current events It seems to be descending into a war of attrition. What other viable option does Putin have?

LR, after 16 months of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it seems you really do not understand what this war is really about and what the objectives are/were for Russia from the beginning, which is very evident from your constant repeated supposedly failures of the Russian military’s objectives in this conflict, because you only see things as Black & White, therefore, it’s no point discussing them with you again and again on what you cannot see.

I was busy over the weekend so I did not have much time for the news. Is the so called coup still continuing with the destruction of mother Russia into little bits yet?

Ukraine celebrates anything in the slightest as being very significant, including in taking over destroyed and abandoned few sheds from the Russians during this so called “Spring offensive”.

No look here Kikapu, you are not allowed to disengage with the lunatic like LR unless he is locked up in an asylum and his laptop is taken away. Otherwise we end up with all his drivel.

You are not being fair. You have to take a share of his crap.

[Robin Hood]

Preliminary Autopsy of a Botched Coup in Late June -ANDREW ANGLIN • JUNE 25, 2023

In the final analysis, it seems that Prigozhin was drunk, and by the time he sobered up, he said “ugh.”

RT:

The criminal case against Wagner Private Military Company (PMC) founder Evgeny Prigozhin will be dropped and he will leave Russia, the Kremlin announced on Saturday evening.

Spokesman Dmitry Peskov revealed that Prigozhin, a Saint Petersburg tycoon who made his initial fortune in catering, “will go to Belarus.”

He added that Wagner’s fighters will not be persecuted, taking into account their efforts on the frontlines of the Ukraine conflict. Peskov explained that President Vladimir Putin’s team “have always respected their exploits.”

PMC contractors who refused to take part in the mutiny – and whole units did not – will be allowed to sign contracts with the Russian Defense Ministry, Peskov stated.

https://www.unz.com/aanglin/preliminary-autopsy-of-a-botched-coup-in-late-june/

[Londonrake]

LR, after 16 months of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, it seems you really do not understand what this war is really about and what the objectives are/were for Russia from the beginning, which is very evident from your constant repeated supposedly failures of the Russian military’s objectives in this conflict, because you only see things as Black & White, therefore, it’s no point discussing them with you again and again on what you cannot see.

I was busy over the weekend so I did not have much time for the news. Is the so called coup still continuing with the destruction of mother Russia into little bits yet?

Ukraine celebrates anything in the slightest as being very significant, including in taking over destroyed and abandoned few sheds from the Russians during this so called “Spring offensive”.

Well, that's disappointing.

I don't recall any "Discussing them with you again and again" TBH. When? Most of your responses are short, unengaging and pretty dismissive. "I can't be bothered/I'm too busy". You don't tend to actually say much at all. Just respond with patronising comments Not too different from your principle colleague's normal get-out responses really. "It's he same old rubbish. I didn't get past the first line". When he's not simply bully-boy ranting that is. Easier than actually addressing any points made and engaging in a debate about them I suppose. Who wants any sort of discussion on these matters/events anyway?

As far as the failure of Russia's military objectives go - are you serious? The very fact that - as you point out - this "Special military operation" has been going on for 16 months is a tad indicative don't you think?

Putin clearly thought - apparently it seems upon very poor advice - that the Russian army could take Ukraine as quickly as it did Crimea. With his receiving the same plaudits. He messed up - big time - though, and the whole thing has degenerated into a complete fuckfest.

As far as the so-called "coup" goes, who knows? Putin doesn't come out of it looking like an iron-man in total control though. In fact, given his national address, personal actions during the largely unimpeded Wagner advance and the subsequent "forgiveness" - after going on national TV, talking about being stabbed in the back by traitors and calling for support - pretty much makes him look a bit of a prat.

Whilst you have a tendency to view these events - Bakhmut for instance - as Machiavellian Russian plots (rather than the Occam's Razor of their being simple fuck ups), it doesn't come across to the non acolytes, and it seems most of the World's press, that way.

Anyway, if you're belief is there's ".............no point discussing them with you again and again."(you haven't) perhaps it's best not to. Which begs the question, what's a forum supposed to be about?

[Pyrpolizer]

A huge graveyard of western wonder weapons, plus Ukrainian manpower. A 10 minute video.
https://t.me/rybar/49042


Taking the enemy by surprise:

Russian tank enters Ukrainian positions unexpectedly, destroys an armored vehicle and personnel then runs away while still fireing another direct shot to the rear.
https://t.me/rybar/49044

[Londonrake]

No look here Kikapu, you are not allowed to disengage with the lunatic like LR unless he is locked up in an asylum and his laptop is taken away. Otherwise we end up with all his drivel.

You are not being fair. You have to take a share of his crap.

Baaahhhhh!

Well done, well done. Got your tick in the box for that one.

Back to being angry about the UK's much abused poor and immigration policy. Fuck the 9000 dead "blond" Ukranian civilian men, women and children. They asked for it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Isn't it funny the whole group of IQ<0 headed by the famous 292038 ® showed up parading simultaneously?
Well hear this oinking piglets: Progozhin and the Wagners are now heading back to their fighting positions in Ukraine.

That's a very typical response from you. Contemptuous, juvenile, bully-boy insults.

You got the first word right.What too you so long?

[Londonrake]

Isn't it funny the whole group of IQ<0 headed by the famous 292038 ® showed up parading simultaneously?
Well hear this oinking piglets: Progozhin and the Wagners are now heading back to their fighting positions in Ukraine.

That's a very typical response from you. Contemptuous, juvenile, bully-boy insults.

You got the first word right.What too you so long?

Ohh dear! We're on the pop again.

"took"

[Pyrpolizer]

Isn't it funny the whole group of IQ<0 headed by the famous 292038 ® showed up parading simultaneously?
Well hear this oinking piglets: Progozhin and the Wagners are now heading back to their fighting positions in Ukraine.

That's a very typical response from you. Contemptuous, juvenile, bully-boy insults.

You got the first word right.What too you so long?

Ohh dear! We're on the pop again.

"took"

Yes but.....
Neeext!! ®

[Londonrake]

Isn't it funny the whole group of IQ<0 headed by the famous 292038 ® showed up parading simultaneously?
Well hear this oinking piglets: Progozhin and the Wagners are now heading back to their fighting positions in Ukraine.

That's a very typical response from you. Contemptuous, juvenile, bully-boy insults.

You got the first word right.What too you so long?

Ohh dear! We're on the pop again.

"took"

Yes but.....
Neeext!! ®

Yeah. Same ole, same ole. Pussy cat.

Hick!

[Lordo]

I mean there is denial and there is denial.

This is how many people the Yanks have killed in their history. But don't worry about them them are dark skinned mostly.

56,000,000 Native Americans
2,000,000 in Vietnam
1,000,000 In Iraq invasion
500,000 in Syria
1,000,000 Iraq 80s
220,000 people with just two bombs alone
200,000 in Afghanistan
200,000 in East Timor