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[Pyrpolizer]

I thought we had breaking news today as the Ukrainian Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov said they are ready to start peace talks with Russia on the condition they change the goals of the Special Military operation. People in blogs started talking about possible softening of the Russian objectives regarding the De- Nazification and De-militarization of Ukraine...

However I did search the matter, and that's not the only thing the guy said!!

https://tass.com/world/1630011

Clearly the Ukrs are still living in a cloud World.

In the meantime the Ukrs continue burning their reserves non stop. E.g. there's a settlement in Zaporichia called Robotyne about 8 km away from the Ukr controlled Novodanylivka , that they tried to capture at least 8 times so far, sometimes twice a day, each time losing tons of manpower and equipment, and then bringing in more reserves, and trying again!

[Londonrake]

This is for LR to ridicule as being 'whataboutery' .......... it seems to be relevant to the above

Media: One Side "Says" - The Other "Provides No Evidence"

The recent reporting on the conflict in Ukraine in 'western' media has reveled a deceiving scheme in which baseless claims from Kiev are taken for granted while everything Moscow says, even when based on facts, is put into doubt.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/06/media-one-side-says-the-other-provides-no-evidence.html

Ahhh! Moon of Alabama. Now we're talkin' Do you know who he is? A chubby guy called - no kiddin' - Herman. He lives in a block of flats in Hamburg where he spends all day with his server, harvesting information. Well, just like some people in here it seems. In the process, making a very tidy sum out of "donations"

Yes, of course it's relevant. Whether correct or not. You're somebody else who seems confused about the term whataboutism.

I don't accept anything at face value. From either side. Particularly things like casualty stats. 600 Russian deaths around Bakhmut though? Come on - you don't really believe that. Ultimately, events will prove - sort of thing.

That's not true of yourself and the rest of team Russia though, is it?

Since the beginning of this war a recurring feature of Russian propaganda (they put a lot of resources into it) have been the "False flag" claims. Never fails it seems. Certainly worked a treat in Syria. Whenever an incident occurred - something like a lot of Ukranian civilians being killed in a missile strike. An event which made the front pages widely. Russia would push out the "It wasn't us. It was the Ukranian military trying to make Russia look bad!". Happily swallowed and regurgitated by the faithful (for free!). Did they actually believe it? Or, was it a case of supporting your team, whatever? That happened time after time. It got a bit silly of course when the Russians started throwing thousands of missiles and bombs at Kyiv, Kharkiv and Lviv. Do you think that was justified?

IMHO that's exactly what we're seeing - yet again - wrt the Kakhovka dam incident and of course exactly the same reaction. Like I said - never fails.

To reiterate. Russia is not a "victim". Half a million of their troops have invaded a neighbouring country, where they've done their best to cause widespread death and destruction, concurrently causing a flood of millions of Ukrainian refugees. Whilst we tap, tap away - treating it as some sort of interesting academic thing - the reality for Ukrainians is of course different.

I find the idea that somebody can enthusiastically support such a humanitarian disaster, particularly those who've spent comfortable lives in the West, morally reprehensible.

[Londonrake]

Well, I think it can be safely said now. The Ukrainian counter-offensive has begun.

To paraphrase Mark Twain (earlier) reports of its death were greatly exaggerated.

I hope it's more successful than the Russian winter offensive. Much hyped in here at the end of last year but actually barely noticed when it happened.

I still think this war - sorry "special military operation" - is set to run and run.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ahhh! Moon of Alabama. Now we're talkin' Do you know who he is? A chubby guy called - no kiddin' - Herman. He lives in a block of flats in Hamburg where he spends all day with his server, harvesting information. Well, just like some people in here it seems.

I know someone in here who does exactly that, albeit totally non productive, like harvesting information from gossip sites.
Here's a clue of who that is: He complains about everything including the number of --> .

[Pyrpolizer]

Let’s see how many on here is going to buy this BS?

I think the culprit who blew up the dam is the same Mermaid that blew up the Nord Stream 2!

Kyiv says it intercepted call showing Russia blew up Kakhovka dam.

Fri, June 9, 2023, 9:48 AM GMT+2
By Dan Peleschuk

KYIV (Reuters) -Ukraine's domestic security service said on Friday it had intercepted a telephone call proving a Russian "sabotage group" blew up the Kakhovka hydroelectric station and dam in southern Ukraine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-secu ... 15850.html

That's food for the Western masses. Even local TV stations here in Cyprus played the conversation at the 8 o'clock main news. They show everything Zelensky, Blinken, Ursula, Biden etc say , live interviews with Ukrainian civilians etc, spending about 10 minutes every night, plus maybe 5 seconds of Russia's response.

Well seriously now: I am sure the Russians already know what happened. But can't reveal it because the Plant was under their control, and they would get ridiculed of not taking enough precautions.
It looks they assumed the Ukrainians had no reason to do it after they retreated from Kherson, and also assumed that the only possible scenario would be from some HIMARS, which they would have recorded on surveillance cameras.

[Kikapu]

That's not true of yourself and the rest of team Russia though, is it?

LR, in the absence of GR, there are no “Team Russia” on here.

What’s here are these. Team Reality, Team Justice and Team no-Bullshit!

You come across as “sour grapes” for Team Collective West, Team NATO and Team Anti Russia for the war in Ukraine not going their way! Paphitis is right there with you on the Teams which you support.

Team Collective West, Team NATO and Team Anti Russia started this war and now they are going to suffer the consequences at the expense of the Ukrainians, forced into this war to fight their Russian brothers. You are angry at the wrong Teams, LR. You should be angry at the Teams which caused all this, and to see the truth, the blinders needs to come off first!

Just my observation!

[Pyrpolizer]

That's not true of yourself and the rest of team Russia though, is it?

LR, in the absence of GR, there are no “Team Russia” on here.

What’s here are these. Team Reality, Team Justice and Team no-Bullshit!

You come across as “sour grapes” for Team Collective West, Team NATO and Team Anti Russia for the war in Ukraine not going their way! Paphitis is right there with you on the Teams which you support.

Team Collective West, Team NATO and Team Anti Russia started this war and now they are going to suffer the consequences at the expense of the Ukrainians, forced into this war to fight their Russian brothers. You are angry at the wrong Teams, LR. You should be angry at the Teams which caused all this, and to see the truth, the blinders needs to come off first!

Just my observation!

Excellent post Kiks. I had difficulty highlighting the most important part as everything was so well connected. Bravo!
Now watch LR foaming with envy of patting you in the back.

It's funny that there are still people in here who don't understand this is a proxy war between Nato and Russia, using Ukrainians as the expendable human flesh to cause as much damage to Russia as possible.
War mongering US senator Lindsey Graham admitted it just recently in the most cynical way, by saying "Russians are dying.... Best money we ever spent".
https://morganton.com/news/lindsey-grah ... 46426.html

People on here who are totally blind to the ongoing stealing of American and European tax payer money, shared among top Ukrainian and American and EU Elites through their Industrial military complexes.
People who forget that this indeed started as a special military operation aiming at a quick end, by forcing the Ukrainians to sit on the negotiating table, and have it all completed with the Istanbul agreements, during which Zelensky himself admitted publicly they have to forget about joining Nato.
And it almost succeeded. Until that idiot Borris Johnson showed up and blew up everything, threatening the Ukrainians that the Anglo-Saxons won't accept such agreement nor accept to become guarantors. He eventually convinced Zelensky the clown they would support them indefinetely to defeat the Russians.

And here we are today. The Anglo-Saxon +Nato+ EU crooks finally realized all their plans are failing. They have now convinced Zelensky the clown to start a full scale counteroffensive knowing full well this will be the end of the Ukr military. The plan now is to get over and done with Ukraine and then blame Zelensky for everything. There has not been even one Western military expert to claim the Ukrs have any chance of winning this counteroffensive. Even Zaluzhni, the Ukr Head of the military, distant himself from this suicide mission...

I predict it will last for a maximum 4 weeks, after which the Ukrainians will end up with insignificant gains, and then by the end of the Summer lose all territory East of Dniper. At that point they will have to accept unconditional surrender, or risk losing Odessa as well. To be honest Scott Ritter predicted that, and I tend to believe it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Amazing news from various channels:
Yesterday there was an online meeting between Zelensky and his Military officers, with their American, Nato, and European counterparts headed by Mark Milley, where the Ukrainians said they were totally defeated and can't continue without more Patriots, more air defense systems, without F-16s etc.
So far this is factual news. The rest of what happened cannot be confirmed.

Presumably that made the Westerners VERY ANGRY, and started accusing the Ukrs of incompetence!
In the end they promised they will provide the Ukrs everything they need on one condition: That they WILL CONTINUE this offensive.

Assuming that's what really happened, then one must be totally blind to miss the criminal Westeners plan.

[Pyrpolizer]

The POTUS ... again.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/50147

[Kikapu]

The POTUS ... again.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/50147

He looked like it was time for a diaper change!