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[Londonrake]

Prior to a major military offensive there will invariably be probing and shaping attacks.

Probing obviously being testing for weak points. Shaping amounts to attempts at confusing the enemy, perhaps getting him to move resources to meet perceived threats which are actually feints. Leaving the real avenues of attack weakened.

Virtually since day one in here team Russia have been reacting to these activities with "HUGE losses" and "The total failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive" type posts............. Sorry, I forgot to add the usual ..................

Whether the Ukrainian offensive ultimately gets significant results or ends up a damp squib - just like the chillingly threatened Russian winter offensive - remains to be seen. Much of the above though really amounts to no more than wishful thinking.

I said earlier "the fog of war". It's a pertinent expression.

[repulsewarrior]

The DAM destruction .........

Russo-Ukrainian War: Dam! A different kind of leak BIG SERGE

In this article, I want to conduct a preliminary assessment of the destruction of the dam, its consequences, and its potential causes. In particular, I want to sort through the evidence and get a sense of whether Ukraine or Russia is a more likely culprit. As it currently stands, the situation is in flux and it is not as if we will find either Zelensky’s or Putin’s fingerprints on the detonator, but we can at least put some puzzle pieces roughly into position and get a sense of what the picture looks like.

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-dam?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Another view I found informative and rational..

When you have whole herds of US, Nato, and EU hyenas, together with their totally corrupt Mass Misinformation media , coupled with the ban of all Russian MSM, the Ukrs may do any war crime they want, and blame it all on Russia. It all started with Bucha... I won't be surprised if one day, they detonate a nuclear bomb, and start their circus theatrics all over again.

...it is a very solid argument he presents; thanks.

...doesn't make what the "Russians" are doing any more palatable; we can say that both these opponents will do what they must to keep a ''winning'' position.

...indeed, 'we' have not had enough and worse is yet to come.

...fog of war, good way to put it.

[Londonrake]

When you have whole herds of US, Nato, and EU hyenas, together with their totally corrupt Mass Misinformation media , coupled with the ban of all Russian MSM, the Ukrs may do any war crime they want, and blame it all on Russia. It all started with Bucha... I won't be surprised if one day, they detonate a nuclear bomb, and start their circus theatrics all over again.

That's typical of your posting tone. I'm leaning towards the view that you're actually the reincarnation of GR. The amount of time you spend daily "researching" and posting your views seems almost identical to the great mans.

The relentless campaign by team Russia against the entirety of western media - although we will now and again see it being used by them if it supports their view - is really just a mechanism to avoid confronting issues raised there. It's no more than cowardly bullshit and a crude form of shouting people down.

Western media brought down Nixon. More recently Trump and Johnson. Members of the UK Parliament went to jail, or lost their seats, having had their profligacy exposed in the media. Conversely, Russian media, in its entirety, is State controlled. The idea that Putin, or members of the Duma would suffer a similar fate's laughable. It's a dictatorship which - as is always the case - exercises total control. Or else.

A rare occurrence but I find myself agreeing with you. Should the 3 million population of Kyiv be wiped out by a nuclear weapon tomorrow - and Russia claim it was nothing to do with them - you would I'm sure have no doubt at all and rush in to enthusiastically promote and "prove" that view.

In the next thread you'll be berating people for being "gullible".

[Pyrpolizer]

I knew you would jump up after reading "Bucha".
So what did you say ... again?

Notice I have to save time. E.g. I read nothing from the fantasy 292038's ® nonsense.

[Londonrake]

Shoigu on the numbers of losses during the 3 day failed Ukrainian Counteroffensive. More than 1200 per day!!

Is that the same Shoigu who in September 2022 said that total Russian losses were 5937?

Shoigu, who prances around in a General's uniform but actually has no military experience at all?

Ahh - that Shoigu.

[Pyrpolizer]

Prior to a major military offensive there will invariably be probing and shaping attacks.

Probing obviously being testing for weak points. Shaping amounts to attempts at confusing the enemy, perhaps getting him to move resources to meet perceived threats which are actually feints. Leaving the real avenues of attack weakened.

Virtually since day one in here team Russia have been reacting to these activities with "HUGE losses" and "The total failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive" type posts............. Sorry, I forgot to add the usual ..................

Whether the Ukrainian offensive ultimately gets significant results or ends up a damp squib - just like the chillingly threatened Russian winter offensive - remains to be seen. Much of the above though really amounts to no more than wishful thinking.

I said earlier "the fog of war". It's a pertinent expression.

Is that all you learned from the corrupt media you are watching? So the Ukrs are doing probing operations huh? How many times do they need to do these at the exact same places? 5 like they did in Novodoneske?
And how on earth did they start a full scale counteroffensive without prior probing against Lobkove today (a tiny settlement 2 km away from Stepove in Zaporichia) using the power of (4 brigades?) amounting to 20,000 soldiers, 90 tanks and 180 armored vehicles, just to end up to nothing?

[Londonrake]

You can bet that the Russians will find out what happened ....... but of course no matter how strong the evidence ....... the Western Alliance (i,e. The US and its NATO Allies) will still blame Russia ...... as they always do.

It will be a safe bet their findings/"evidence" will point to........................................

As far as "blaming" Russia goes. Try looking at the big picture. Despite lying about it on several occasions (lies which team Russia in here totally supported - as always) Putin sent 200,000 Russian troops across the border into Ukraine on 24/2/2022. Since, they've been reinforced by another 300,000 conscripts. That army has flattened large areas of the country. As an example, Mariupol, which had a population of about 450,000 before they virtually obliterated all of it, mostly by long-range artillery bombardment. Approximately 16000 civilians have been killed whilst 8+ million have fled the country. A quarter of the population have had to leave their homes. As a matter of nothing less than vindictiveness they've subjected Kyiv to a veritable blitz, using thousands of missiles and bombs, in an attempt to undermine the Ukrainian population's morale.

So................................. tell me again about "blaming" Russia?

[Londonrake]

Is that all you learned from the corrupt media you are watching?

No! No! Come on. If you're going to step into the great nutcase's shoes you have to get the terminology right. It's "criminal" not corrupt.

Ohh, wait a mo....................................................... There, that makes the post so much more relevant (and adult)

[Londonrake]

What on Earth were the Russians thinking when they destroyed it (Nord stream 2)?

I've never suggested they did.

The point is, you have not implied that Russia was not responsible for the destruction of Nord Steam 2 as you have done with Ukraine regarding the destruction of the Dam. Don’t you see the contradiction here?

As it happens, as we learn more, that Ukraine has far more to gain by destroying the Dam than Russians would have. Yet another contradiction!

So LR, do you still believe Ukraine was not responsible for the destruction of the Dam?

Sorry, trying to catch up. After a few days on such a thread, given events, you can appreciate, I'm sure.

Like most, I have no idea at all who carried out the Nord 2 sabotage. How far you go up the "source" food chain shapes your view I think. At the moment it seems to me that it all basically comes down to "best guess" though. Perhaps that will change some time.

Destruction of the dam stops, at a stroke, any idea that the much anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive will take advantage of the opportunities offered by the area. It's now a dead parrot. There are a number of views of course. I think it a deliberate and planned act - of desperation - on the part of the Russians. That's, like all others, just a view of course. After 18 months of this conflict I think Vladimir Putin has demonstrated on many occasions that he really couldn't give a flying fuck about collateral damage. Particularly when it comes to human beings. Like his predecessor Stalin, it's all about the end result and, although I am not of a religious persuasion, I fondly hope the man ends up in the same place.

Thanks for the reasonable - albeit misinformed - response. It's an emotive subject of course and people get "excited" most of the time. I'm sure that's not about to change anytime soon, either.

[Pyrpolizer]

Shoigu on the numbers of losses during the 3 day failed Ukrainian Counteroffensive. More than 1200 per day!!

Is that the same Shoigu who in September 2022 said that total Russian losses were 5937?

Shoigu, who prances around in a General's uniform but actually has no military experience at all?

Ahh - that Shoigu.

Nobody forces you to believe Shoigu.
I am sure you would bow to CNN though.
Tell me what significant losses means please. Also why is Ukraine is on silence mode?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/08/poli ... index.html